Ok, I agree with you, may be I didn't explain myself clear: I meant "neutral" in the sense of relation with each other (i.e. Not being hostile).
Nic. Tim Sanderson wrote: > Why be neutral? If something is better, then it is better. Whenever I have > tried a vendor other than Cisco for a routing or switching solution, I > regretted it. Now I use Cisco equipment exclusively except where they do not > make that product I need [such as FatPipe MPVPN]. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nicolas Antoniello [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 12:53 PM > To: Paul Wall > Cc: Dan Snyder; nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Re: [NANOG] Alcatel > > I think we should keep this list as much neutral as we may regarding > individual preferences. > > Why some of you keep writing offensive mails to those who write neutral ones > or to those > who know less than what you THINK you know. > > Have you heard about: "All we are ignorants, the thing is that we ignore > different things"? > > So my recommendation for life is: try to be more modest 'cos as some one say > somewhere: > life is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're going to get. > > By the way, I'm not related to any vendor, nor any manufacturer company... > oh, even not > from USA... so this is as much neutral as may get! > > Nic. > > > > > Paul Wall wrote: >> On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Dan Snyder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> What about Alcatel's MPLS edge routers like the 7x50 products that >>> came from Timetra...anyone have any experience with them? Are they a >>> good product? >> Garbage, the 7750/7450 are complete junk boxes. Here is why... >> >> - For fun, view a 7750/7540 router configuration file and grep for >> the word "exit". Count how many times you see that word. To sum it up, >> the CLI is kind of annoying. Lets just say the 7x50 rivals a Bay Annex >> CLI for uselessness. >> >> - They attempted to mimic the Juniper style of policy-statements, but >> they still fall short of it. Whats up with the pseudo-commit crap? >> >> - The majority of ALU folks supporting the 7x50 are all from former >> failed router vendors (caspian, nexabit, etc). When you deal with such >> teams, keep your operator hat on and realize that some of the stuff >> being suggested are from people who've never worked in production. >> >> - 7x50 is about 1-2 years behind Cisco and Juniper on any feature >> functionality on the boxes. >> >> - The ALU business unit has no comprehension why users want to >> interface with the box via CLI as opposed to their SAM EMS junk. The >> BU and the former Newbridge developers think folks run their network >> from a Sparc via a GUI. Times have changed...NETCONF what? >> >> - If you haven't run into any BGP scaling issues yet, you will, soon. >> >> - Limited RSVP-TE support...nothing compared to Juniper. >> >> There are plenty of other better options like the Cisco 6500/7600 as >> well as the Juniper MX. Why settle for sub-standard CLI, weak features >> and a business unit who has no operational experience and their only >> claim to fame was gobbling up companies and exploiting their long-time >> industry friendships to seal massive deals. >> >> I know some will reply to talk about their great failover is and this >> and that, whatever. To get the box where it is today a lot of pain was >> endured by plenty of customers who had to deal with a not-so-nice >> Alcatel. The box pricing is not that great and for the same money you >> can find better elsewhere. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NANOG mailing list >> NANOG@nanog.org >> http://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog > > _______________________________________________ > NANOG mailing list > NANOG@nanog.org > http://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog > > _______________________________________________ > NANOG mailing list > NANOG@nanog.org > http://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog _______________________________________________ NANOG mailing list NANOG@nanog.org http://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog