I've been deploying Ubiquiti products since Robert was going around to the 
conferences himself, peddling his mini PCI card radios. I've deployed most of 
their product lines. I'm familiar with how they operate. 




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Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Mel Beckman" <m...@beckman.org> 
To: "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> 
Cc: "Mike Hammett" <na...@ics-il.net>, "NANOG list" <nanog@nanog.org> 
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 8:43:02 AM 
Subject: Re: Contact at Ubiquiti Networks? 

I deploy Ubiquiti equipment quite a bit, both in WLANs and WISP distribution 
networks. It’s excellent quality at a dirt cheap price. As with all 
software-based products, there will be bugs. Your or my pet bug may never get 
fixed, based on market demand. That’s simply capitalism, not low quality. None 
of us can afford to pay for perfection, because it would never ship. 

I deployed 400 HP-Aruba APs at SFO, and that installation requires a full-time 
network engineer to manage the system. I’ve deployed many more times that in 
Unifi APs and they run perfectly well with only periodic software updates to 
accommodate new client device types. Unifi is 75% cheaper than Aruba, for 
essentially the same result. 

-mel 

> On May 26, 2020, at 6:29 AM, Matt Hoppes <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> 
> wrote: 
> 
> Except, you could argue they are exceling. Stocks are going up up up, and 
> folks buy the product. 
> 
> I really wish stock holders would ask the proper questions in the quarterly 
> calls. 
> 
>> On 5/26/20 8:53 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: 
>> That is a big problem. In terms of their UniFi product line, there are no 
>> reasonable alternatives. 
>> Upper management is the biggest problem. They have severe ADD. 
>> A ton of companies have these kinds of issues. They just plain don't hire 
>> enough people in the right areas to really excel. 
>> ----- 
>> Mike Hammett 
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> 
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>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
>> *From: *"Ben P" <b...@list-subs.com> 
>> *To: *"Mike Hammett" <na...@ics-il.net> 
>> *Cc: *"j k" <jskl...@gmail.com>, "NANOG list" <nanog@nanog.org> 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, May 26, 2020 5:01:36 AM 
>> *Subject: *Re: Contact at Ubiquiti Networks? 
>> Agree 1000% with the sentiments expressed by Mike. 
>> Unfortunately despite much research I’ve been unable to find a suitable 
>> replacement vendor. All the other vendors seem to want to ram 
>> cloud-management down your throat which I absolutely do not want. My 
>> network, my control, not under the auspices of someone else’s magic cloud. 
>> On 25 May 2020, at 21:21, Mike Hammett <na...@ics-il.net 
>> <mailto:na...@ics-il.net>> wrote: 
>> The company has mostly fallen apart. Their sales are going up, but 
>> their responsiveness and customer support have been declining over 
>> the last five years. 
>> ----- 
>> Mike Hammett 
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> 
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>> *From:*"j k" <jskl...@gmail.com <mailto:jskl...@gmail.com>> 
>> *To:*"NANOG list" <nanog@nanog.org <mailto:nanog@nanog.org>> 
>> *Sent:*Monday, May 25, 2020 3:16:36 PM 
>> *Subject:*Contact at Ubiquiti Networks? 
>> Does anyone have a good contact at Ubiquity Networks? Finding a 
>> pattern I don't like. 
>> Joe Klein 
>> "inveniet viam, aut faciet"^ --- Seneca's Hercules Furens (Act II, 
>> Scene 1) 
>> "I never lose. I either win or learn" - Nelson Mandela 

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