An update on my side, we reached out to PhoenixNAP, one of the Phoenix-IX's 
vendors.

PhoenixNAP reached out all of their contacts at Phoenix-IX and have received no 
response. They are in as much of the dark as the rest of us. I feel like I'm on 
the Ghost ship Phoenix-IX.

What I don't understand, is how somebody could abandon a project without 
passing it to another person or entity. This is extremely irresponsible.

—
Kate

> On Nov 12, 2020, at 05:11, Marcus Josephson <mjoseph...@inap.com> wrote:
> 
> I tried to get a link to PHX-IX for months. Never heard back from them, went 
> with Digital Realty Phoenix
>  
>  
> From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+mjosephson=inap....@nanog.org> On Behalf Of Kate 
> Gerry
> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 11:06 AM
> To: Matt Hoppes <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org list <nanog@nanog.org>
> Subject: Re: Phoenix-IX Contact
>  
> Matt,
>  
> I am running on a huge assumption here, but I think Phoenix-IX runs on 
> donated infrastructure. From what I recall, there was only an NRC to join 
> Phoenix-IX.
>  
> And in regards to Walt's suggestion, it looks like HE already started one 
> with Stellar Technologies. https://48ix.net <https://48ix.net/> but it is 
> only in a single facility. So until that IX grows, both in peers and 
> footprint, I'm stuck on Phoenix-IX.
>  
> I have wondered what happens if a participant storms the IX. Will somebody 
> appear? Because attempts to reach their NOC/peering handles has resulted in a 
> lack of response.
>  
> I also wonder how the other Ninja-IX exchanges are running, I haven't heard 
> anything about them, is there the same lack of communication? Or do those 
> have a local staff?
>  
> —
> Kate
> 
> 
> On Nov 10, 2020, at 06:15, Matt Hoppes <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net 
> <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote:
>  
> How is the IX still running?  Surely someone must be paying colo rent?
> 
> On 11/10/20 9:03 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
> 
> Always a good time for network operators to consider the risks of having any 
> one person as a single point of failure for something kind of important:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor>
> Disaster recovery and continuity of business plans should always include the 
> concept of what if some percentage of the key team members were to be 
> suddenly unavailable permanently (the Malaysian airline incident, for 
> example).
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 8:08 PM Kate Gerry <kge...@outlook.com 
> <mailto:kge...@outlook.com 
> <mailto:kge...@outlook.com%20%3cmailto:kge...@outlook.com>>> wrote:
>    Is there anybody else even there? I thought that it was all Paul's show!
>    If I was able to (as in, had access to), I would offer to help/run
>    with the IX. I may live in California, but it's a realistic car trip
>    back and forth to Phoenix.
>    --
>    Kate
> 
>    On Nov 9, 2020, at 17:58, Mike Hammett <na...@ics-il.net
>    <mailto:na...@ics-il.net 
> <mailto:na...@ics-il.net%0b%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%3cmailto:na...@ics-il.net>>> 
> wrote:
> 
>    Paul's LinkedIn seems to show that he checked out in April. Let me
>    know if you have any success reaching anyone there.
> 
> 
> 
>    -----
>    Mike Hammett
>    Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/ 
> <http://www.ics-il.com/>>
>    <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL 
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
>  
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
>  
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>><https://twitter.com/ICSIL
>  <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>>
>    Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/ 
> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>>
>    <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix 
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange
>  
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>><https://twitter.com/mdwestix
>  <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>>
>    The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/ 
> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>>
>    <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp 
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>><https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg
>  <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>>
>    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>    *From:*"Kate Gerry" <kge...@outlook.com <mailto:kge...@outlook.com 
> <mailto:kge...@outlook.com%20%3cmailto:kge...@outlook.com>>>
>    *To:*"Bill Woodcock" <wo...@pch.net <mailto:wo...@pch.net 
> <mailto:wo...@pch.net%20%3cmailto:wo...@pch.net>>>
>    *Cc:*nanog@nanog.org <mailto:nanog@nanog.org <mailto:nanog@nanog.org>>
>    *Sent:*Monday, November 9, 2020 5:44:42 PM
>    *Subject:*Re: Phoenix-IX Contact
> 
>    Just a heads-up, I never heard a word from anybody at Phoenix-IX.
> 
>    Is there anybody still running the IX? Or is it just on autopilot?
>    It'd be nice if anybody had some information on whatever happened
>    to Paul. Hopefully he is okay!
> 
>    --
>    Kate
> 
>        On Sep 14, 2020, at 13:33, Kate Gerry <kge...@outlook.com
>        <mailto:kge...@outlook.com 
> <mailto:kge...@outlook.com%0b%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%3cmailto:kge...@outlook.com>>>
>  wrote:
> 
>        Thank Bill! I've been trying to reach Paul for ages now,
>        hopefully he pops back up again. We want to upgrade.
> 
>        On an unrelated note, it looks like somebody has their ticket
>        system subscribed to the list... Awesome.
> 
>            *From: *Dating Support <dating.supp...@csvwebsupport.com
>            <mailto:dating.supp...@csvwebsupport.com 
> <mailto:dating.supp...@csvwebsupport.com%0b%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%3cmailto:dating.supp...@csvwebsupport.com>>>
>            *Subject: **[#WQV-291-95071]: Phoenix-IX Contact*
>            *Date: *September 14, 2020 at 12:43:20 PDT
>            *To: *kge...@outlook.com <mailto:*kge...@outlook.com> 
> <mailto:kge...@outlook.com <mailto:kge...@outlook.com>>
>            *Reply-To: *dating.supp...@csvwebsupport.com 
> <mailto:*dating.supp...@csvwebsupport.com>
>            <mailto:dating.supp...@csvwebsupport.com 
> <mailto:dating.supp...@csvwebsupport.com>>
> 
>            Kate Gerry,
> 
>            Thank you for contacting us. This is an automated response
>            confirming the receipt of your ticket. Our team will get
>            back to you within 24 hours.
> 
> 
>        --
>        Kate
> 
> 
>            On Sep 14, 2020, at 12:48, Bill Woodcock <wo...@pch.net
>            <mailto:wo...@pch.net 
> <mailto:wo...@pch.net%0b%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%3cmailto:wo...@pch.net>>>
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>                On Sep 14, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Kate Gerry
>                <kge...@outlook.com <mailto:kge...@outlook.com 
> <mailto:kge...@outlook.com%20%3cmailto:kge...@outlook.com>>> wrote:
> 
>                Does anybody have a contact who works at Phoenix-IX? I
>                have been attempting to reach somebody there for a
>                while now without any luck.
> 
>                Attempts to each out topeer...@phoenix-ix.net 
> <mailto:topeer...@phoenix-ix.net>
>                <mailto:peer...@phoenix-ix.net 
> <mailto:peer...@phoenix-ix.net>>as well as Ninja-IX
>                have been without any luck. We also tried reaching out
>                to Paul Emmons via LinkedIn mail and never received a
>                response.
> 
> 
>            Paul is the correct person.
> 
>                                           -Bill

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