> On May 28, 2021, at 06:56 , Mike Hammett <na...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > "Bad connection" measures way more than throughput. > > What about WFH or telehealth doesn't work on 25/3?
Pretty much everything if you have, say, 3+ people in your house trying to do it at once… A decent Zoom call requires ~750Kbps of upstream bandwidth. When you get two kids doing remote school and mom and dad each doing $DAYJOB via teleconferences, that 3Mbps gets spread pretty thin, especially if you’ve got any other significant use of your upstream connection (e.g. kids posting to Tik Tok, etc.) Sure, for a single individual, 25/3 might be fine. For a household that has the industry standard 2.53 people, it might even still work, but barely. Much above that average and things degrade rapidly and not very gracefully. Owen > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com <http://www.ics-il.com/> > > Midwest-IX > http://www.midwest-ix.com <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > > From: "Abhi Devireddy" <a...@devireddy.com> > To: nanog@nanog.org, "Jason Canady" <ja...@unlimitednet.us> > Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 8:07:34 AM > Subject: Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections > > Don't think it needs to change? From 25/3? Telehealth and WFH would like to > talk with you. > > There's very few things more draining than a conference call with someone > who's got a bad connection. > Abhi > > Abhi Devireddy > > From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+abhi=devireddy....@nanog.org> on behalf of Jason > Canady <ja...@unlimitednet.us> > Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 7:39:14 AM > To: nanog@nanog.org <nanog@nanog.org> > Subject: Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections > > I second Mike. > > On 5/28/21 8:37 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > I don't think it needs to change. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com <http://www.ics-il.com/> > > Midwest-IX > http://www.midwest-ix.com <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > > From: "Sean Donelan" <s...@donelan.com> <mailto:s...@donelan.com> > To: nanog@nanog.org <mailto:nanog@nanog.org> > Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 7:29:08 PM > Subject: New minimum speed for US broadband connections > > > What should be the new minimum speed for "broadband" in the U.S.? > > > This is the list of past minimum broadband speed definitions by year > > year speed > > 1999 200 kbps in both directions (this was chosen as faster than > dialup/ISDN speeds) > > 2000 200 kbps in at least one direction (changed because too many service > providers had 128 kbps upload) > > 2010 4 mbps down / 1 mbps up > > 2015 25 Mbps down / 3 Mbps up (wired) > 5 Mbps down / 1 Mbps up (wireless) > > 2021 ??? / ??? (some Senators propose 100/100 mbps) > > Not only in major cities, but also rural areas > > Note, the official broadband definition only means service providers can't > advertise it as "broadband" or qualify for subsidies; not that they must > deliver better service.