> On Oct 21, 2021, at 06:30 , Allen McKinley Kitchen (gmail) 
> <allenmckinleykitc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> ..Allen
> 
>> On Oct 20, 2021, at 15:43, Matthew Walster <matt...@walster.org> wrote, 
>> among other things:
>> 
>> Seems pretty disingenuous to now say the called party has to pay as well, in 
>> stark contrast to decades of precedent with their telephone product, just 
>> because their customers are actually using what they were sold.
> 
> Let me add a (perhaps naïve) perspective:
> 
> When speaking of calling party costs, there are two costs in that model: the 
> cost of access to the network (recurring telephone line charges) and the 
> cost, if metered, of making an actual call.
> 
> My analogy looks something like this: as the manager of a telecom system 
> where hundreds of clinical dictators were calling at all hours, while I did 
> not pay for any individual incoming calls, it was a necessary business 
> expense for me to have sufficient connection to the network – that is to say, 
> a sufficient number of telephone lines. The cost for dozens of T1 lines was 
> not a small budget item.
> 
> So, in one sense, I as a called party did indeed find it necessary to pay 
> substantial fees for the privilege of being called.
> 
> And when I instituted toll-free calling, of course I paid significantly more.

Sure… However, sufficient connection is represented by Netflix investing in 
sufficient PNIs or peering connections
to attach to the eyeball network in question. There is significant expense in 
that and Netflix has done so. Netflix
is also willing (in most cases) to provide equipment at their expense which can 
be placed in the eyeball providers’
networks to further reduce the demands on the provider network as well as 
reducing Netflix costs and improving
the UX for customers that are mutual among the network in question and Netflix.

> I totally agree that this is not a perfect analogy. But I have some sympathy 
> for both parties in this debate.

Close enough on the analogy, but under the circumstances, I fail to understand 
the need for sympathy for the eyeball
providers.

Owen

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