There are plenty of places with crappy dsl left in the US, 7mbit
down/1mbit up being fairly common in many small towns.

In my view, however, focusing on dragging fiber to farmland is kind of
silly and better wireless tech (WISP) to be preferred,
and in both the wireless and dsl cases, a real source of problems is
actually... wait for it... the buffering.  I filed this in response to
NTIA's recent RFC on this topic.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FjRo9MNnVOLh733SNPNyqaR1IFee7Q5qbMrmW1PlPr8/edit

On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 12:58 PM Josh Luthman
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
> >There are plenty of urban and suburban areas in America that are far worse 
> >off from a broadband perspective than “rural America”.
>
> Can you provide examples?
>
> On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 3:51 PM Owen DeLong via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Jun 2, 2021, at 02:10 , Mark Tinka <mark@tinka.africa> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 6/2/21 11:04, Owen DeLong wrote:
>> >
>> >> I disagree… If it could be forced into a standardized format using a 
>> >> standardized approach to data acquisition and reliable comparable results 
>> >> across providers, it could be a very useful adjunct to real competition.
>> >
>> > If we can't even agree on what "minimum speed for U.S. broadband 
>> > connections" actually means, fat chance having a "nutritional facts" at 
>> > the back of the "Internet in a tea cup" dropped off at your door step.
>> >
>> > I'm not saying it's not useful, I'm just saying that easily goes down the 
>> > "what color should we use for the bike shed" territory, while people in 
>> > rural America still have no or poor Internet access.
>> >
>> > Mark.
>>
>> ROFLMAO…
>>
>> People in Rural America seem to be doing just fine. Most of the ones I know 
>> at least have GPON or better.
>>
>> Meanwhile, here in San Jose, a city that bills itself as “The Capital of 
>> Silicon Valley”, the best I can get is Comcast (which does finally purport 
>> to be Gig down), but rarely delivers that.
>>
>> Yes, anything involving the federal government will get the full bike shed 
>> treatment no matter what we do.
>>
>> There are plenty of urban and suburban areas in America that are far worse 
>> off from a broadband perspective than “rural America”.
>>
>> Owen
>>


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