Further!
Here's a page with about 25 dial-up ISPs in Ukraine: https://isp.today/en/list-of-all-services/UKRAINE,toic-14,c-1 If I go to www.ua.net, as one try, they list dial-up services and prices: http://www.ua.net/price/ediup.htm Looks current. The point being that dial-up internet is not unknown in Ukraine. And even if these domestic dial-up services get blocked if the phone system is still working those people can open and use a non-Ukrainian dial-up internet account. Obviously anything there involves some risk. On March 3, 2022 at 02:10 b...@theworld.com (b...@theworld.com) wrote: > > 1. They don't have to wait or hope for a starlink terminal to arrive. > > They just have to dig out an old serial modem or system with one built > in (they were common), find a phone line which will support that, and > figure out how to get a dial-up account and use it. Like most of the > world did ~20 years ago and many still do. > > I don't know how many starlink terminals were sent to Ukraine but it's > probably not millions. Millions might be able to figure out how to > dial-up though since that's what everyone used not that long ago and > for all I know many might still use there. > > 2. Unless the Russians have control of the phone systems and whatever > it takes to isolate modem transmissions they can't just "sweep the > air" like they can for starlink frequencies. > > This page (October 5, 2019) claims there are over 12M landlines in > Ukraine: > > https://www.sidmartinbio.org/how-many-landline-phones-are-there-in-ukraine/ > > On March 3, 2022 at 17:45 ka...@biplane.com.au (Karl Auer) wrote: > > On Thu, 2022-03-03 at 01:12 -0500, b...@theworld.com wrote: > > > If Ukrainians wanted internet access and to get around blocking it'd > > > probably be more effective to dig out old serial modems and get PPP > > > dial-up accounts outside the country where phone service that will > > > support that still exists. > > > > How on Earth is that "more effective"? > > > > -- > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Karl Auer (ka...@biplane.com.au) > > http://www.biplane.com.au/kauer > > > > GPG fingerprint: 61A0 99A9 8823 3A75 871E 5D90 BADB B237 260C 9C58 > > Old fingerprint: 2561 E9EC D868 E73C 8AF1 49CF EE50 4B1D CCA1 5170 > > > > > > -- > -Barry Shein > > Software Tool & Die | b...@theworld.com | > http://www.TheWorld.com > Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: +1 617-STD-WRLD | 800-THE-WRLD > The World: Since 1989 | A Public Information Utility | *oo* -- -Barry Shein Software Tool & Die | b...@theworld.com | http://www.TheWorld.com Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: +1 617-STD-WRLD | 800-THE-WRLD The World: Since 1989 | A Public Information Utility | *oo*
