Without disagreeing that privacy concerns in general are rapidly becoming 
extinct with generations…

Surely you are not suggesting that my friends-only Facebook profile is somehow 
publishing my WiFi SSID? 

(For example)

Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC 
CEO 
l...@6by7.net
"The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in the 
world.”

FCC License KJ6FJJ

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> On Mar 24, 2022, at 6:26 AM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm surprised we're having this discussion about an internet device that the 
> customer is using to publicize all of their information on Facebook and 
> Twitter.  Consumers do not care enough about their privacy to the point where 
> they are providing the information willingly.
> 
> >Consumers should have legal say in how or wether their data are harvested 
> >and also sold.
> 
> They do. https://www.fcc.gov/general/customer-privacy
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 9:12 AM Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE 
>> <l...@6by7.net> wrote:
>> This is an enormous problem, see: 
>> https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2021/10/ftc-staff-report-finds-many-internet-service-providers-collect-troves-personal-data-users-have-few
>> 
>> Consumers should have legal say in how or wether their data are harvested 
>> and also sold.
>> 
>> Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
>> 6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC 
>> CEO 
>> l...@6by7.net
>> "The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in 
>> the world.”
>> 
>> FCC License KJ6FJJ
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone via RFC1149.
>> 
>>>> On Mar 24, 2022, at 3:44 AM, Giovane C. M. Moura via NANOG 
>>>> <nanog@nanog.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>> Hello there,
>>> 
>>> Several years ago, a friend of mine was working for a large telco and his 
>>> job was to detect which clients had the worst networking experience.
>>> 
>>> To do that, the telco had this hadoop cluster, where it collected _tons_ of 
>>> data from home users routers, and his job was to use ML to tell the signal 
>>> from the noise.
>>> 
>>> I remember seeing a sample csv from this data, which contained _thousands_ 
>>> of data fields (features) from each client.
>>> 
>>> I was _shocked_ by the amount of (meta)data they are able to pull from home 
>>> routers. These even included your wifi network name _and_ password!
>>> (it's been several years since then).
>>> 
>>> And home users are _completely_ unaware of this.
>>> 
>>> So my question to you folks is:
>>> 
>>> - What's the policy regulations on this? I don't remember the features 
>>> (thousands) but I'm pretty sure you could some profiling with it.
>>> 
>>> - Is anyone aware of any public discussion on this? I have never seen it.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Giovane Moura

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