Please, let’s keep politics out of nanog…
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Update Profile<%20https:/www.cisco.com/c/en/us/about/help/login-account-help.html#~profile> - Privacy<http://www.cisco.com/web/siteassets/legal/privacy.html> Please click here<http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/about/legal/terms-sale-software-license-agreement/company-registration-information.html> for Company Registration From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+dodobrow=cisco....@nanog.org> On Behalf Of VOLKAN SALIH Sent: Friday, September 29, 2023 7:59 PM To: Tom Beecher <beec...@beecher.cc> Cc: nanog list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: maximum ipv4 bgp prefix length of /24 ? word salad? example; russia decided that they are powerful enough, they are not now eating UA. They will never stop, coz Thats how world wars start. Now big network operators decided that they can destroy small competitors by mergers, acquitions, restrictive or "NO" peering policies.. and ofc price wars. You can think that We talk Network operators aspect of world war in telecommunications. example; some tier-1 acquires some tier-2. and FCC withdraws net neutrality rules. IMO; you all are done, as you accepted their decisions and didnt question them?!.. If i were in your country i would send you best calculator available on stores for your HAPPINESS! and you tell me to shut up! I didnt not. IMO, Everyone understood me. Competition is good. Even if hungry people like you thinks BAD for just yourself. byé byé 29.09.2023 20:50 tarihinde Tom Beecher yazdı: word salad None of this has anything to do with why the IPv4 /24 limit is what it is. Good luck with your endeavors, whatever they may be. On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 1:46 PM VOLKAN SALİH <volkan.salih...@gmail.com<mailto:volkan.salih...@gmail.com>> wrote: thanks for your response. Honestly thanks for everyones reponses. comunism is the future. IMO. tier-1 network count is decreasing. competition is always good. while monopoly, duopoly, triopoly is not.. I dream an earth with 1000 tier-1 networks.. capitalism give people more money than they can spend in their lifetime with their families, but it doesnt give people happiness and health.. for example, if i were level3 or telia CEO or should I have been major stakeholder? I would like to see 50 or 1000 more tier-1 networks competing with us. Money is not everything. After some time capitalist bourgeois realize that they could not "earn" health or happiness and start spending their pennies to charities, because if we wouldnt believe heaven and hell and purgatory, what else we could believe? Should we believe that after death nothing left from the earth, we worked for nothing, we laughed for nothing, we cried for nothing, and we married for nothing? NOPE. Everyone is equal, in the god's/lord's/creator's vision. You need to work on comunism instead of capitalism.. I do not care what CFO/CTO/CEO/CXO thinks! they are more miserable than me..! I am healthy and happy. They are not. They can not be. I just expressed my opinions, finalized them with a bad joke. ;D You can continue your feasibility reports, net profit margin , return of investment calculations, but the god doesnt care IMO, and you will not care after you are 70-80 years.old. Best regards and wishes for you all I guess i made myself clear. Development is the only way. in all aspects. 29.09.2023 20:31 tarihinde Matthew Petach yazdı: On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 9:42 AM VOLKAN SALİH <volkan.salih...@gmail.com<mailto:volkan.salih...@gmail.com>> wrote: [...] I presume there would be another 50 big ASNs that belong to CDNs. And I am pretty sure those top 100 networks can invest in gear to support /25-/27. Volkan, So far, you haven't presented any good financial reason those top 100 networks should spend millions of dollars to upgrade their networks just so your /27 can be multihomed. Sure, they *can* invest in gear to support /25-/27; but they won't, because there's no financial benefit for them to do so. I know from *your* side of the table, it would make your life better if everyone would accept /27 prefixes--multihoming for the masses, yay! Try standing in their shoes for a minute, though. You need to spend tens of millions of dollars on a multi-year refresh cycle to upgrade hundreds of routers in your global backbone, tying up network engineering resources on upgrades that at the end, will bring you exactly $0 in additional revenue. Imagine you're the COO or CTO of a Fortune 500 network, and you're meeting with your CFO to pitch this idea. You know your CFO is going to ask one question right off the bat "what's the timeframe for us to recoup the cost of this upgrade?" (hint, he's looking for a number less than 40 months). If your answer is "well, we're never going to recoup the cost. It won't bring us any additional customers, it won't bring us any additional revenue, and it won't make our existing customers any happier with us. But it will make it easier for some of our smaller compeitors to sign up new customers." I can pretty much guarantee your meeting with the CFO will end right there. If you want networks to do this, you need to figure out a way for it to make financial sense for them to do it. So far, you haven't presented anything that would make it a win-win scenario for the ISPs and CDNs that would need to upgrade to support this. ON a separate note--NANOG mailing list admins, I'm noting that Vokan's emails just arrived a few minutes ago in my gmail inbox. However, I saw replies to his messages from others on the list yesterday, a day before they made it to the general list. Is there a backed up queue somewhere in the NANOG list processing that is delaying some messages sent to the list by up to a full day? If not, I'll just blame gmail for selectively delaying portions of NANOG for 18+ hours. ^_^; Thanks! Matt
