On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 9:12 PM Tim Burke <t...@mid.net> wrote: > > It’s better for customer experience to keep it local instead of adding 200 > miles to the route. All of the competition hauls all of their traffic up to > Dallas, so we easily have a nice 8-10ms latency advantage by keeping transit > and peering as close to the customer as possible. > > Plus, you can’t forget to mention another ~$10k MRC per pair in DF costs to > get up to Dallas, not including colo, that we can spend on more transit or > better gear!
Texas's BEAD funding and broadband offices are looking for proposals and seem to have dollars to spend. I have spent much of the past few years attempting to convince these entities that what was often more needed was better, more local IXPs. Have you reached out to them? > On Oct 14, 2023, at 23:03, Ryan Hamel <r...@rkhtech.org> wrote: > > > Why not place the routers in Dallas, aggregate the transit, IXP, and PNI's > there, and backhaul it over redundant dark fiber with DWDM waves or 400G > OpenZR? > > Ryan > > ________________________________ > From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+ryan=rkhtech....@nanog.org> on behalf of Tim Burke > <t...@mid.net> > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2023 8:45 PM > To: Dave Taht <dave.t...@gmail.com> > Cc: Network Neutrality is back! Let´s make the technical aspects heard this > time! <nnag...@lists.bufferbloat.net>; libreqos > <libre...@lists.bufferbloat.net>; NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> > Subject: Re: transit and peering costs projections > > Caution: This is an external email and may be malicious. Please take care > when clicking links or opening attachments. > > > I would say that a 1Gbit IP transit in a carrier neutral DC can be had for a > good bit less than $900 on the wholesale market. > > Sadly, IXP’s are seemingly turning into a pay to play game, with rates almost > costing as much as transit in many cases after you factor in loop costs. > > For example, in the Houston market (one of the largest and fastest growing > regions in the US!), we do not have a major IX, so to get up to Dallas it’s > several thousand for a 100g wave, plus several thousand for a 100g port on > one of those major IXes. Or, a better option, we can get a 100g flat internet > transit for just a little bit more. > > Fortunately, for us as an eyeball network, there are a good number of major > content networks that are allowing for private peering in markets like > Houston for just the cost of a cross connect and a QSFP if you’re in the > right DC, with Google and some others being the outliers. > > So for now, we'll keep paying for transit to get to the others (since it’s > about as much as transporting IXP from Dallas), and hoping someone at Google > finally sees Houston as more than a third rate city hanging off of Dallas. > Or… someone finally brings a worthwhile IX to Houston that gets us more than > peering to Kansas City. Yeah, I think the former is more likely. 😊 > > See y’all in San Diego this week, > Tim > > On Oct 14, 2023, at 18:04, Dave Taht <dave.t...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > This set of trendlines was very interesting. Unfortunately the data > > stops in 2015. Does anyone have more recent data? > > > > https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdrpeering.net%2Fwhite-papers%2FInternet-Transit-Pricing-Historical-And-Projected.php&data=05%7C01%7Cryan%40rkhtech.org%7Cc8ebae9f0ecd4b368dcb08dbcd319880%7C81c24bb4f9ec4739ba4d25c42594d996%7C0%7C0%7C638329385118876648%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=nQeWrGi%2BblMmtiG9u7SdF3JOi1h9Fni7xXo%2FusZRopA%3D&reserved=0 > > > > I believe a gbit circuit that an ISP can resell still runs at about > > $900 - $1.4k (?) in the usa? How about elsewhere? > > > > ... > > > > I am under the impression that many IXPs remain very successful, > > states without them suffer, and I also find the concept of doing micro > > IXPs at the city level, appealing, and now achievable with cheap gear. > > Finer grained cross connects between telco and ISP and IXP would lower > > latencies across town quite hugely... > > > > PS I hear ARIN is planning on dropping the price for, and bundling 3 > > BGP AS numbers at a time, as of the end of this year, also. > > > > > > > > -- > > Oct 30: > > https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fnetdevconf.info%2F0x17%2Fnews%2Fthe-maestro-and-the-music-bof.html&data=05%7C01%7Cryan%40rkhtech.org%7Cc8ebae9f0ecd4b368dcb08dbcd319880%7C81c24bb4f9ec4739ba4d25c42594d996%7C0%7C0%7C638329385118876648%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ROLgtoeiBgfAG40UZqS8Zd8vMK%2B0HQB7RV%2FhQRvIcFM%3D&reserved=0 > > Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos -- Oct 30: https://netdevconf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.html Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos
