> On Nov 16, 2023, at 21:57, Ryan Hamel <r...@rkhtech.org> wrote:
> 
> Christopher,
> 
> A residential customer would be getting their /56 from the providers pool via 
> RA or DHCPv6. With a /32 aggregate, it can handle 1.6 million /56 
> delegations, which can cover a few regions. It all depends on the planning 
> going into splitting up the aggregate.

Or, if the provider isn’t stingy a /48 from the providers /≤32 (providers can 
get as many /48s as they need to support whatever number of customers receiving 
them, at least in the ARIN region).

> A rule of thumb I go by in the datacenter is, a /48 per customer per site, 
> and further splitting it into /64s per VLAN, all of which can be plugged into 
> a spreadsheet formula to produce a valid complete subnet.
> 
> Either way, keeping track of IPAM via spreadsheet is a recipe for disaster. 
> NetBox and Nautobot are my choices, and is worth deploying on a server or 
> VPS, even for home labs.

On this, we agree.

It’s just not what spreadsheets do.

Owen

> 
> Ryan
> 
> From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+ryan=rkhtech....@nanog.org> on behalf of 
> Christopher Hawker <ch...@thesysadmin.au>
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> To: Aaron Gould <aar...@gvtc.com>; Owen DeLong <o...@delong.com>
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org <nanog@nanog.org>
> Subject: Re: ipv6 address management - documentation
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> One of the first things that comes to mind, is that if you were to breakout a 
> /64 v6 subnet (a standard-issue subnet to a residential customer) in an Excel 
> spreadsheet, the number of columns you would need is 14 digits long. You 
> could breakout the equivalent of a /12 v4 in just one column. Understandably 
> in the real world no one (in their right mind) would do this, this is just 
> for comparison.
> 
> Regards,
> Christopher H.
> From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+chris=thesysadmin...@nanog.org> on behalf of Owen 
> DeLong via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2023 10:39 AM
> To: Aaron Gould <aar...@gvtc.com>
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org <nanog@nanog.org>
> Subject: Re: ipv6 address management - documentation
>  
> Spreadsheets are terrible for IPAM regardless of address length, but I am 
> curious to know why you think IPv6 would be particularly worse than IPv4 in 
> such a scenario?
> 
> Owen
> 
> 
> > On Nov 16, 2023, at 10:02, Aaron Gould <aar...@gvtc.com> wrote:
> > 
> > For years I've used an MS Excel spreadsheet to manage my IPv4 addresses.  
> > IPv6 is going to be maddening to manage in a spreadsheet.  What does 
> > everyone use for their IPv6 address prefix management and documentation?  
> > Are there open source tools/apps for this?
> > 
> > -- 
> > -Aaron
> 
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