HAHA that would totally make the MAFIAA's day...
entering all your dialup and adsl customers into whois as they would be
"end users" :P quite sure the EU would not agree on that definition of
what constitutes an end-user, and therefore, its quite possible to provide
access services on PI space (as you don't make sub delegations anyway)
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010, Sven Olaf Kamphuis wrote:
2. RIPE has always issued PI space to LIRs (ISPs are by
definition LIRs).
ISPs are not per-se LIRs.
LIRs register IP space on behalf of customers
customers that do not make delegations themselves (i'm quite sure you don't
put each and every one of your access customers into whois, for one thing
because that would violate privacy laws :P do not need to be a LIR, and can
just do so on PI space.
Shared hosting ISPs also do not make subdelegations and generally don't even
uses the ips on a one-specific-customer-per-ip basis.
So no, ISP's do not have to be a LIR, and LIRs do not have to be an ISP.
(in fact, we are considering moving our LIR activities to a completely
seperate legal entity from our internet activities).
as a LIR is just a buro that issues IP space and does not nessesarily own or
operate a network.
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On Tue, 26 Oct 2010, Owen DeLong wrote:
On Oct 26, 2010, at 11:19 AM, Sven Olaf Kamphuis wrote:
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010, Randy Carpenter wrote:
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On 10/26/2010 12:04 PM, Nick Hilliard wrote:
In practice, the RIRs are implementing sparse allocation which makes
it
possible to aggregate subsequent allocations. I.e. not as bad as it
may
seem.
Except, if you are given bare minimums, and you are assigning out to
subtending ISPs bare minimums, those subtending ISPs will end up with
multiple networks. Some of them are BGP speakers. I can't use sparse
allocation because I was given minimum space and not the HD-Ratio
threshold space.
Wait... If you are issuing space to ISPs that are multihomed, they should
be getting their own addresses. Even if they aren't multihomed, they
should probably be getting their own addresses. Why would you be
supplying them with address space if they are an ISP?
-Randy
to my knowledge, RIPE still does not issue ipv6 PI space.
so giving them their own space, is "problematic" to say the least.
RIPE issues PI space in a couple of different forms...
1. Sponsoring LIR can pay 50 Euros/year and subsequently
bill the recipient whatever they choose for the PI space.
2. RIPE has always issued PI space to LIRs (ISPs are by
definition LIRs).
3. This is NANOG. NA != EU.
Owen