On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 5:28 AM, Mark Smith <na...@85d5b20a518b8f6864949bd940457dc124746ddc.nosense.org> wrote: > On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 21:32:39 -0400 > Christopher Morrow <morrowc.li...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 3:10 PM, David Conrad <d...@virtualized.org> wrote: >> > On Oct 31, 2010, at 6:45 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote: >> >>>> "If Woody had gone straight to a ULA prefix, this would never have >> >>>> happened..." >> >>> Or better yet, if Woody had gone straight to PI, he wouldn't have this >> >>> problem, either. >> >> ula really never should an option... except for a short lived lab, >> >> nothing permanent. >> > >> > Seems to me the options are: >> > >> > 1) PI, resulting in no renumbering costs, but RIR costs and routing table >> > bloat >> > 2) PA w/o ULA, resulting in full site renumbering cost, no routing table >> > bloat >> > 3) PA w/ ULA, resulting in externally visible-only renumbering cost, no >> > routing table bloat >> > >> > Folks appear to have voted with their feet that (2) isn't really viable -- >> > they got that particular T-shirt with IPv4 and have been uniformly against >> > getting the IPv6 version, at last as far as I can tell. >> > >> > My impression (which may be wrong) is that with respect to (1), a) most >> > folks can't justify a PI request to the RIR, b) most folks don't want to >> > deal with the RIR administrative hassle, c) most ISPs would prefer to not >> > have to replace their routers. >> > >> > That would seem to leave (3). >> > >> > Am I missing an option? >> >> I don't think so, though I'd add 2 bits to your 1 and 3 options: >> 1) we ought to make getting PI easy, easy enough that the other >> options just don't make sense. > > Surely your not saying "we ought to make getting PI easy, easy enough > that the other options just don't make sense" so that all residential > users get PI so that if their ISP disappears their network doesn't > break?
all the world is not a corner case... I don't think sane folks are supportive of 'every end site gets pi', I think it's somewhat sane to believe that enterprise type folks can/should be able to get PI space to suit their needs. ULA for enterprises is really not a good solution. Cable/dsl end users can certainly apply for PI space they may even be able to justify an allocation (see owen...) I don't think they'll have much success actually getting a DSL/Cable provider to actually hold the route for them though... so I'm not sure that your pathological case matters here. -chris