That thread detail would be very interesting to me.  Thanks for the heads up.   

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On Feb 2, 2011, at 7:14 AM, Matt Disuko <gourmetci...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Very interesting.  I have had similar issues with connectivity to my Brazil 
> office, and oddly enough it involved GBLX and CTBC (now called Algar 
> Telecom).  I also vastly divergent paths to a couple hosts in the same 
> subnet.  I ended up communicating with GBLX via email (who were actually 
> really great in corresponding with  me)...the engineer pointed to some sort 
> of link capacity issue...i'll dig up the thread...
> 
> > Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 01:21:09 -0500
> > From: vi...@abellohome.net
> > Subject: Re: Connectivity to Brazil
> > To: the76po...@gmail.com
> > CC: nanog@nanog.org
> > 
> > We saw similar issues with IKE through Global Crossing (as odd as that 
> > sounds) out of the NYC market at the same time. We routed around them and 
> > problem solved. Still scratching our heads on that one... In my 
> > experiences, GLBX has numerous odd issues to the point where it's become a 
> > bad joke anytime something breaks with connectivity... we blame them. It's 
> > kind of not funny though because it's almost always true. Taking them out 
> > of the equation usually fixes the problem. One of our customers who is 
> > frequently affected by GBLX problems jumps to the (often correct) 
> > conclusion that they are causing problems. :-/
> > 
> > -Vinny
> > 
> > On Feb 1, 2011, at 3:57 PM, Steve Danelli wrote:
> > 
> > > Thanks for the response. 
> > > 
> > > Ike had worked great up until Monday. The provider did a local test and 
> > > our box saw the Ike packets so it appears to lie somewhere upstream. 
> > > (GLBX may be a good guess)
> > > 
> > > Also - the paths are stable and we are sourcing from the same ip - very 
> > > strange behaivor. Hope someone from GLBX or CTBC (or someone who had 
> > > experienced an issue like this) can assist
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Thanks to all for their feedback so far. 
> > > 
> > > SD
> > > 
> > > On Feb 1, 2011, at 3:19 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
> > > 
> > >> On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 08:54:47 EST, Steve Danelli said:
> > >> 
> > >>> Some carrier, somewhere between us and the service provider is 
> > >>> selectively
> > >>> dropping the IKE packets originating from our VPN gateway and destined 
> > >>> for
> > >>> our Brazil gateway. Other traffic is able to pass, as are the IKE 
> > >>> packets coming
> > >>> back from Brazil to us. This is effectively preventing us from 
> > >>> establishing
> > >>> the IPSEC tunnel between our gateways.
> > >> 
> > >> Has IKE been known to work to that location before? Or is this something 
> > >> new?
> > >> My first guess is some chucklehead banana-eater at the service provider 
> > >> either
> > >> fat-fingered the firewall config, or semi-intentionally blocked it 
> > >> because it
> > >> was "traffic on a protocol/port number they didn't understand so it must 
> > >> be
> > >> evil".
> > >> 
> > >>> Also something else is awry, for two given hosts on the same subnet 
> > >>> (x.y.z.52
> > >>> and x.y.z.53), they take two wildly divergent paths:
> > >> 
> > >>> Anyone have any insight on to what may be occurring?
> > >> 
> > >> The paths appear to diverge at 67.16.142.238. I wonder if that's gear 
> > >> trying
> > >> to do some load-balancing across 2 paths, and it's using the source IP 
> > >> as a
> > >> major part of the selector function ("route to round-robin interface 
> > >> source-IP
> > >> mod N" or similar?).
> > >> 
> > >> The other possibility is your two traceroutes happened to catch a 
> > >> routing flap in
> > >> progress (obviously not the case if the two routes are remaining stable).
> > >> 
> > >> Sorry I can't be more helpful than that...
> > > 
> > 
> > 

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