Another vexation for VOIP in the SMB environment is that it rarely works 
particularly
well (if at all) in light of a multiple-external-address NAT pool.

You simply have to map all of your VOIP phones in such a way that they 
consistently
get the same external IP every time or shit breaks badly.

Owen

On Feb 28, 2011, at 11:11 AM, Bret Palsson wrote:

> Since our company is a VoIP company, I will chime in to this topic.
> 
> Let's start off with the definitions so everyone is on the same page:
> 
> vex |veks|
> verb [ trans. ]
> make (someone) feel annoyed, frustrated, or worried, esp. with trivial 
> matters : the memory of the conversation still vexed him | [as adj. ] ( 
> vexing)the most vexing questions for policymakers.]
> 
> Alright, now that that's out of the way...
> 
> I am only referring to small medium business and some enterprise (Those are 
> all our customers, we do not do residential)
> - Seemingly complex.
> - Worried about the "What if the internet goes down" scenario.
> - Call quality.
> - Price
> - Location
> - Outages
> 
> Responses:
> - Seemingly complex... Very true. Most VoIP companies, both hosted and on 
> premises are difficult/time consuming to setup and make work they way you 
> want it. 
> - What if the internet goes down. This one is a challenge. POTS actually have 
> issues too, but when analog phone service goes down, there is no light on the 
> phone indicating that the phones are not working so many customers perceive 
> there is a problem. With the FCC mandating all POTS move to a VoIP backend 
> (which for long hauls, is mostly already true) POTS will experience the same 
> downtime as the internet. 
> However as we all know, the internet is built to tolerate outages. 
> For most people they don't understand how the internet actually works.
> - Call quality... If a VoIP company pays for good bandwidth and maintains 
> good relationships with peers, the only concern is the last-mile(From the CO 
> to location). Now there is much more that plays in quality, ie. codec 
> selection, voice buffer, locality to the pbx.
> - Price... Believe it or not people are worried about paying less for better 
> service. Who would have thought?
> - Location... Location is super important both in the last mile and PBX.
>       - Last mile:
>               In older locations the copper in the ground is aged, if you 
> can't get fiber and your stuck using T1, lines, then hopefully you are in a 
> location that keeps the copper in the ground properly maintained. If you are 
> in older locations, which one of our offices are, there are remedies, you can 
> contact your bandwidth provider and have them do a head to head test using a 
> BERD (bit error rate detector) and they can find the problem. But that's a 
> whole other topic.
> 
>       -PBX:
>               Some people believe that on premise is the best location for a 
> PBX, this may or may not be true. I happen to believe that keeping it off 
> premise is the way to go. You get up-time, redundancy, locality, and 
> mobility. You just plug in your phone and your phone is up and running. Move 
> offices.. got bandwidth? Your good to go. No equipment to worry about, say a 
> power outage happens, your voicemail still works people call in and are in 
> call queues and have no clue you are down. Feels more like POTS with an 
> enterprise backend.
> 
> -Outages: If the internet does fail, most providers offer WAN survivability. 
> The customer plugs in phone lines into the router and if the internet goes 
> down, they can make emergency calls or calls to the world limited by the 
> number of lines the router can accept and are plugged in of course. Now in 
> all our experience going on 7 years now, 90% of the time WAN outages happen, 
> guess what also dies, the POTS! Who would have thought that when cables get 
> cut, that the phone lines were also part of the cables?
> 
> There you go, some common worries, with some answers to hopefully sooth the 
> vexed VoIP user.
> 
> Bret Palsson
> Sr. Network & Systems Administrator
> www.getjive.com
> 
> 
> On Feb 28, 2011, at 11:37 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 13:29:08 EST, Bret Clark said:
>>> On 02/28/2011 01:17 PM, Leigh Porter wrote:
>>>> VoIP at the last mile is just too niche at the moment. It's for people on 
>>>> this list, not my mother.
>> 
>>> Baloney...if that was the case, then all these ILEC's wouldn't be 
>>> whining about POT's lines decreasing exponentially year over year!
>> 
>> I do believe that the ILEC's are mostly losing POTS lines to cell phones, not
>> to VoIP. I myself have a cell phone but no POTS service at my home address.  
>> On
>> the other hand, I *am* seeing a metric ton of Vonage and Magic Jack ads on TV
>> these days - if VoIP is "too niche", how are those two making any money?
>> 
> 


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