The alternative to centralization is enclosure: segmentation and private 
ownership of portions of the formerly common resource. Since the internet is 
already thus enclosed, with each portion completely owned by one autonomous 
agent or another, the problem at hand is not a commons problem at all but 
merely one of negotiation and market force. Internet Death Penalties, 
blacklists, and unilateral de-peering and blackholing are exactly the sorts of 
responses an economist would expect to see to a rogue actor in the network 
community, precise analogs of various types of economic ostracism going back to 
the merchant consortia of the middle ages.

-Gabriel

-----Original Message-----
From: Pete Carah [mailto:p...@altadena.net] 
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 9:29 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Outgoing SMTP Servers

Maybe he is concerned that the Wikipedia article gets into nit-picking about 
the ownership of the commons that isn't relevant to our problem, and also is 
rather long-winded.  Hardin got into some things at the end of his paper that 
probably aren't either (but then, he was a population biologist and not an 
economist).  BTW - that paper is a good read and not too long.  The journal 
link (reference 1 in the wikipedia article) actually works openly (AAAS only 
blocks full access for a while...)

For our purpose, the ownership of the commons in question truly isn't relevant; 
the fundamental statement of the tragedy for us is that a "useful" resource 
that is incrementally free (or even cheap enough) to a large number of 
participants will get exploited and probably overused.

I'm not aware of any solution to this problem with commons that doesn't involve 
a central authority :-( In feudal practice the landlord could do some 
enforcement; the spanish alcaldes were another good example of a semi-central 
solution to the commons problem (water rights in their origins, though their 
authority grew over time).

Classic economics says that market pricing is the solution, but that tends to 
result in another kind of tragedy.

-- Pete

On 10/27/2011 05:38 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 18:17:22 -0000, Brian Johnson said:
>> So... I'm in complete agreement with your statement, but The 
>> Wikipedia
reference is not pertinent.
>
> So I point out the tragedy of the commons, you agree with it, but the
Wikipedia
> reference that talks about the same exact thing isn't pertinent? How
does that
> follow? :)




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