On Apr 24, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Jonathan Lassoff wrote: > On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Owen DeLong <o...@delong.com> wrote: >> That's not entirely true. What you say applies to one possible way for an >> ISP to get an allocation. It does not apply at all to end-users. > > Even for end-user allocations, they would still need to fulfill the > requirements of 4.3.3 in the ARIN NRPM > (https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four33), no? >
Yes, but, that utilization can be documented need for X hosts to be numbered in an initial deployment, it does not have to be X existing hosts numbered from some other set of resources. It can also be made up of hosts numbered from RFC-1918 space which now need globally unique addresses for whatever reason. > I suppose for "immediate need" assignments, this can be short > circuited, but from what I know those are pretty rare. > Not all that rare, but, yes, relatively rare. > Am I missing something? > I'm not sure. I know that I have no trouble getting appropriate sized assignments for my end-user clients with appropriate justification of their needs without them necessarily having existing space from ARIN or any other entity. I know that the ARIN process can, on occasion be tricky to navigate if you don't understand the subtleties of how some of the terminology is defined and that people often use terms which have very specific meanings to ARIN staff members to have a much broader meaning in what they are intending to say. I know that often leads to misunderstandings which make the process even more difficult. Owen
