Fletcher, Your specific case may vary, but I am most certainly _not_ "making stuff up". In many territories, especially outside of major metro areas, you cannot order dry pairs. This has been because of a combination of relaxed rules (if you really want I can dig up the NTCA reports on this) and because the rules never required the ILEC to add capacity once they were used up.
On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Fletcher Kittredge <fkitt...@gwi.net> wrote: > > In this particular post, your making stuff up. There are still > "residential focused" CLECs and ordering Unbundled Network Elements(UNEs) > is not more difficult than in the past. The rules haven't changed. > > What is certainly true is that many CLECs have found that it is more > lucrative to sell to businesses, but I don't think there is a correlation > with residential getting more difficult. We used to be 75%/25% > residential/business and are now 45%/55% business, but that reflects the > *rapid* growth of the business market. > > regards, > Fletcher > > On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Scott Helms <khe...@zcorum.com> wrote: > >> Joe, >> >> I'm assuming from your domain that you're in Canada where yes dry pairs >> are >> still generally available. I apologize for not making it clear that my >> comment was specifically about the US where dry pairs are nearly >> impossible >> to order today and the CLEC market has almost entirely abandoned the >> residential space. In fact, the only state in the US that I still see any >> residentially focused CLECs is Texas which tells me there is something >> about the regulations in that state that makes it more feasible. >> >> >> On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Joe Abley <jab...@hopcount.ca> wrote: >> >> > >> > On 2013-02-03, at 14:39, Scott Helms <khe...@zcorum.com> wrote: >> > >> > > Dry pairs are impossible to order these days for a reason. >> > >> > Dry pairs are trivial to order round these parts. Generalisations are >> > always wrong, no doubt including this one. >> > >> > >> > Joe (putting the N back in NANOG) >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Scott Helms >> Vice President of Technology >> ZCorum >> (678) 507-5000 >> -------------------------------- >> http://twitter.com/kscotthelms >> -------------------------------- >> > > > > -- > Fletcher Kittredge > GWI > 8 Pomerleau Street > Biddeford, ME 04005-9457 > 207-602-1134 -- Scott Helms Vice President of Technology ZCorum (678) 507-5000 -------------------------------- http://twitter.com/kscotthelms --------------------------------