Fletcher,

Your specific case may vary, but I am most certainly _not_ "making stuff
up".  In many territories, especially outside of major metro areas, you
cannot order dry pairs.  This has been because of a combination of relaxed
rules (if you really want I can dig up the NTCA reports on this) and
because the rules never required the ILEC to add capacity once they were
used up.


On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Fletcher Kittredge <fkitt...@gwi.net> wrote:

>
> In this particular post, your making stuff up.   There are still
> "residential focused" CLECs and ordering Unbundled Network Elements(UNEs)
> is not more difficult than in the past.   The rules haven't changed.
>
> What is certainly true is that many CLECs have found that it is more
> lucrative to sell to businesses, but I don't think there is a correlation
> with residential getting more difficult.   We used to be 75%/25%
> residential/business and are now 45%/55% business, but that reflects the
> *rapid* growth of the business market.
>
> regards,
> Fletcher
>
> On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Scott Helms <khe...@zcorum.com> wrote:
>
>> Joe,
>>
>> I'm assuming from your domain that you're in Canada where yes dry pairs
>> are
>> still generally available.  I apologize for not making it clear that my
>> comment was specifically about the US where dry pairs are nearly
>> impossible
>> to order today and the CLEC market has almost entirely abandoned the
>> residential space. In fact, the only state in the US that I still see any
>> residentially focused CLECs is Texas which tells me there is something
>> about the regulations in that state that makes it more feasible.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Joe Abley <jab...@hopcount.ca> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > On 2013-02-03, at 14:39, Scott Helms <khe...@zcorum.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Dry pairs are impossible to order these days for a reason.
>> >
>> > Dry pairs are trivial to order round these parts. Generalisations are
>> > always wrong, no doubt including this one.
>> >
>> >
>> > Joe (putting the N back in NANOG)
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
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