And then you end up on RBLs. That seems to help the caring aspect PDQ.
-Dan
On Mon, 6 May 2013, Warren Bailey wrote:
Abuse is abuse.. People are going to do bad things, even when you call them
illegal (in some cases, as a result of calling them illegal). It's not illegal
to be a tool, but it is illegal to break a law. In my opinikn Laws need to be
written and passed, not thought about and argued over. If we are going to
arbitrarily make our own laws, why don't we start at something cooler than
preventing a guy announcing someone's Internet addresses? I understand the
magnitude of these actions, but at some point we need to pay attention to
things outside of /dev/internet. Again.. I'm not saying these hijackers aren't
pricks, I'm saying that stealing an AS number shouldn't be illegal - committing
a crime with information gained should be (and is). It's not that I don't care,
I just don't care that MUCH.
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-------- Original message --------
From: goe...@anime.net
Date: 05/06/2013 11:31 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Warren Bailey <wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com>
Cc: Christopher Morrow <morrowc.li...@gmail.com>,Valdis Kletnieks
<valdis.kletni...@vt.edu>,NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: Re: Illegal usage of AS51888 (and PI 91.220.85.0/24) from AS42989 and
AS57954 (in ukraine)
if anyone wondered why abuse goes unchecked, wonder no longer.
-Dan
On Mon, 6 May 2013, Warren Bailey wrote:
+1
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-------- Original message --------
From: Christopher Morrow <morrowc.li...@gmail.com>
Date: 05/06/2013 9:29 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Valdis Kletnieks <valdis.kletni...@vt.edu>
Cc: Warren Bailey <wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com>,Adam Vitkovsky
<adam.vitkov...@swan.sk>,Nick Hilliard <n...@foobar.org>,NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: Re: Illegal usage of AS51888 (and PI 91.220.85.0/24) from AS42989 and
AS57954 (in ukraine)
On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 12:23 PM,
<valdis.kletni...@vt.edu<mailto:valdis.kletni...@vt.edu>> wrote:
On Mon, 06 May 2013 15:27:35 -0000, Warren Bailey said:
Illegal or undesired?
This sort of stuff comes in two flavors: "typo" and "intentionally done
in furtherance of criminal activities".
The fact that an AS number and matching IP range are involved tends to say it's
not a typo.
maybe warren's question is better stated: "Please point to relevant legal code in
the jurisdiction(s) which are relevant." (if you feel this is 'illegal', showing
where in the relevant code(s) where this would be classified as such would help)
-chris
