On Feb 6, 2014, at 11:22, Joshua Goldbard <j...@2600hz.com> wrote: > > Cogent always has the cheapest rates
Objectively, provably false. -- TTFN, patrick > but they also have the most peering disputes of any operator. I've seen > intra-data center hops between cogent and Verizon take over 150ms. > > As with all things Internet, your mileage may vary. I would not put something > with a 5 9'a uptime requirement on cogent without a failover circuit. For > less sensitive applications it seems like a win. > > The Internet is both incredibly robust and fragile simultaneously. > > Cheers, > Joshua > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 6, 2014, at 8:06 AM, "Vlade Ristevski" <vrist...@ramapo.edu> wrote: >> >> We have had Cogent over Verizon's Fiber for more than a few years now. >> Cogent goes down once at year at minimum. They had 2 outages in a single day >> a couple days ago in Northern NJ. One in the AM "..caused by a power outage >> in a vendor data center where Cogent is collocated." They went on to have >> another outage at around 9:30 PM on the same day for which I'm still waiting >> for an RFO. During this outage, they still were advertising our BGP routes >> so we didn't fail over to our 2nd provider. I notice that happens alot with >> them. When they go down, they still advertise your routes. >> >> As far as price goes, for us Cogent is cheap but Lightpath is cheaper. >> >> Our college is kind of far from things so we don't have a lot of outside >> fiber coming. The last mile fiber for both of our connections are different >> from our Internet providers. I've never had a big issue with the two working >> with each other. The only issue we had is I suspected we weren't getting as >> much bandwidth as we paid for. They had to work out where the policer and/or >> bottle neck was. This is the only issue we had in 5 years with this set up >> and it got resolved. IME, when there is a full outage, it's always been >> clear who the responsible party is. >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 2/6/2014 10:17 AM, Adam Greene wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> >>> We're a small ISP / datacenter with a Time Warner fiber-based DIA contract >>> that is coming up for renewal. >>> >>> >>> We're getting much better pricing offers from Cogent, and are finding out >>> what Level 3 can do for us as well. Both providers will use Time Warner >>> fiber for last mile. >>> >>> >>> My questions are: >>> >>> - Will we be sacrificing quality if we spring for Cogent? >>> (yesterday's Cogent/Verizon thread provided some cold chills for my spine) >>> >>> - Is there a risk with contracting a carrier that utilizes another >>> carrier (such as Time Warner) for the last mile? (i.e. if there is a >>> downtime situation, are we going to be caught in a web of confusion and >>> finger-pointing that delays problem resolution)? >>> >>> - How are peoples' experiences with L3 vs TWC? >>> >>> >>> Although I assume everyone on the list would be interested in what others >>> have to say about these questions, out of respect for the carriers in >>> question, I encourage you to email frank opinions off list. >>> >>> >>> Or if there are third party tools or resources you know that I could consult >>> to deduce the answers to these questions myself, they are most welcome. >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Adam >