I recently saw an interesting talk about this at 30c3, this is the way some French ISPs are solving this:
http://media.ccc.de/browse/congress/2013/30C3_-_5391_-_en_-_saal_6_-_201312291130_-_y_u_no_isp_taking_back_the_net_-_taziden.html D. Oplerno is built upon empowering faculty and students -- Daniël W. Crompton <daniel.cromp...@gmail.com> <http://specialbrands.net/> <http://specialbrands.net/> http://specialbrands.net/ <http://twitter.com/webhat> <http://www.facebook.com/webhat><http://plancast.com/webhat><http://www.linkedin.com/in/redhat> On 4 April 2014 03:50, Brandon Ross <br...@pobox.com> wrote: > Let's start with your basic assumption here. Why would you build a > backbone at all if your goal is to solve last mile problems? > > It seems to me that the expense and distraction of building a large > backbone network doesn't contribute to your goals at all, given that there > are many high quality, nationwide backbone networks in North America today > available at reasonable cost. > > > On Thu, 3 Apr 2014, char...@thefnf.org wrote: > > Hello everyone, >> >> It's been some time since I've been subscribed/replied/posted here (or on >> WISPA for that matter). I've been pretty busy running a non profit startup >> (protip: don't do that. It's really really terrible) :) I'm cofounder and >> CTO of the Free Networking Foundation. Our goal is to bring broadband (5 >> mbps symmetric to start) bandwidth to the 2/3 of Americans who currently >> can't get it (rural, urban core, undeserved, "$ILEC stops on otherside of >> street" etc). >> >> Efforts so far primarily have consisted of WiFI last (square) mile >> delivery using Ubiquiti hardware and the qmp.cat firmware (also meraki >> access points that were donated, for some reason this seems to happen quite >> a bit). We've helped numerous networks get started, grow and (soon we hope) >> become self sustaining in Austin, Kansas City, Los Angeles, Detroit, New >> York and a few other places throughout the US. The networks are in various >> stages of maturity of course, but a number of them are fully operational >> and passing real traffic. Especially the one in Kansas City (it spans both >> states). >> >> These are (point to point, routed) access/distribution networks which >> connect into colocation providers blended networks. >> >> So that's the background and current state of affairs. Not really NANOG >> material. >> >> The next step is to secure our v6 space and AS number. Now that's not >> horribly difficult or really worthy of NANOG (though I do greatly >> appreciate folks on the list who helped me through the theory/practice of >> that process sometime ago). It appears to be fairly straightforward if you >> are not an LIR. Simply go through the paperwork (LOA, submit to ARIN, get >> out the credit card, textbook BGP config and done). And if FNF was >> operating the networks (we don't, we just help with >> organizing/consulting/software guidance/hardware spend >> optimization/logistics etc) and if there was just one POP (and associated >> administrative body), then again it wouldn't be that interesting or worth >> cluttering up NANOG. >> >> FNF goal is to serve as an LIR, SWIPing out /48 chunks to neighborhood >> level operators. They would then peer with whatever upstream ISPs are >> regionally close and announce out the space. This of course would be >> associated with a training program, registration in an IPAM tool etc. >> >> Regarding the above? >> >> What do the operators on this list wish they could of been trained in >> starting out? I mean obviously they should have good mastery and working >> experience of CCNA level material, along with exposure to higher level >> concepts of WAN networking. What are the tricks, the gotchas, the "man that >> would of saved my company a million bucks in transit costs". Yes I realize >> these sort of things are usually closely held. I also am striving to create >> an entirely new breed of operators running BGP enabled sites with ipv6. The >> more I can do to help ease those folks integration into the internet, the >> better. In short, the often debated issue on this list of v6 endpoint >> explosion is going to be very very very real. >> >> What IPAM tools out there can scale to a multi hundred million node, >> distributed, "eventual consistency" national level? (I've been working >> closely with guifi.net, and we are attempting to relaunch that as a very >> slick Apple like experience with a libremap (couchdb based) system. >> >> I'd love to hear from folks across the spectrum of experience and network >> size. From folks who have been dual homed for <~1 year at a single site, to >> tier1 operators who were there when it all started. >> >> So what would you like to see done in a greenfield, open source, open >> governance carrier backbone network? What would a dream TIER1 (and I use >> that in the default free zone sense of the word) look like to you? >> >> Also how the heck would one get this bootstrapped at a sustainable pace? >> Would one create numerous tier2 regional carriers, and they would feed into >> an over arching tier1? I'm thinking something like a 501c8 type structure ( >> http://www.irs.gov/Charities-&-Non-Profits/Other-Non- >> Profits/Fraternal-Societies[1] ) >> >> As far as I know, this is the first time that an intentional community >> type approach is taken and a tier1 is the end goal. Not evolving into one, >> buying ones way into it, but a manifest destiny type approach to building a >> backbone. >> >> Please feel free to reach out to me directly (char...@thefnf.org[2] ) if >> you wish to have a one on one discussion. In particular I'm interested in >> legal expertise in these sort of areas >> (law/compliance/contracting/negotiations >> for right of way etc etc etc). >> >> Thanks for reading. I look forward to the discussion! >> >> PS: Yes, I'm young and idealistic. I'm also grounded/practical/focused. >> I'm currently working on making the access portion of the network as smooth >> and turnkey as possible. (That basically means packaging up >> zeroshell/observium/powerdns/libremap/trigger and other bits/bobs into a >> nice livecd/ova/openvz package). I also like to think about the next wave >> of issues while working on the current one. It will take another year or so >> before we need to really be building out the backbone (if nothing else, to >> link up the rapidly growing regional networks). >> >> This is about physical, layer 1 infrastructure. This isn't yet another >> overlay network (CJDNS/GNu FreeNet etc). Yes it's messy, yes it's all about >> non technical end users, yes it's about taking a rather complex stack >> (auth/network awareness/routing platform) and making it accessible to power >> users/"IT professionals". It's also a whole lot of fun! >> >> >> Please feel free to visit us at https://www.thefnf.org for more >> information. >> >> > -- > Brandon Ross Yahoo & AIM: > BrandonNRoss > +1-404-635-6667 ICQ: > 2269442 > Skype: > brandonross > Schedule a meeting: http://www.doodle.com/bross > >