I beg your indulgence..

On Apr 25, 2014, at 0:29, Larry Sheldon <larryshel...@cox.net> wrote:

> ...On 4/24/2014 11:01 PM, Everton Marques wrote:
>> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 12:44 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore 
>> <patr...@ianai.net>wrote:
>> 
>>> On Apr 24, 2014, at 23:38 , Larry Sheldon <larryshel...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Regulating monopolies protects monopolies from competition.
>>>> 
>>>> Monopolies can not persist without regulation.
>>> 
>>> You are confused.
>>> 
>> 
>> I think Mr. Sheldon is pointing out this:
> 
> Thank you.
> ...
> [more comment below]
>> --xx--
> ...
> I don't know what got me to thinking about it earlier today but I recalled 
> when I started at the telephone company in Los Angeles there was a pitch made 
> early on that in earlier days a business in Los Angeles had to have several 
> telephones on desks to be able to talk to all of their customers.
> 
> Which was true ONLY because regulation required that each telephone line 
> terminate in an instrument owned by the providing company.
> 


The above statement contains an error that obscures the issue. As someone who 
also recalls this  state of affairs, I must point out that it was the 
respective telcos' "regulation" - not government regulation in any sense - that 
prohibited any equipment but their own from being attached to their lines. In 
other words, those telcos were behaving anti-competitively with all the power 
they could muster to do so (surprise!) and also doing whatever they could to 
obscure that fact. 

Regulation was demanded by consumers - in order to protect them from the 
ridiculous results of this assertion of privilege on the telcos' part. To Mr 
Sheldon, this resulted in regulation (by government) creating a monopoly. I 
believe Mr Gilmore might argue that well-crafted regulation requiring 
interconnectivity as a public good would have prevented both the "need" for 
monopoly-creating regulation and also would have protected the public from the 
inherent tendency toward monopoly as vendors do battle to protect their turf 
rather than provide the best possible outcome for their customers.

> Absent that one regulation, businesses would have invented multi-line 
> instruments a lot earlier than was the case.

So THIS argument is completely off the mark. In fact, one could say a 
regulation was needed which would have forbade the telcos' anti-competitive 
behavior, and then the competitive marketplace could have played out further. 
Instead, what we got - partly to address some of the other concerns like 
interconnection - was a set of regulations that favored one (well-connected) 
vendor, leading to a monopoly.

So in some respects, each Mr Sheldon and Mr Gilmore are both right. No surprise 
there, either, as I have immense respect for both. I tend to lean towards Mr 
Gilmore's position, though, in that I personally hold that powerful vendors 
have a natural positive feedback tendency towards monopoly if they can attain 
it, and regulation that is wisely and truly customer-centered can prevent much 
damage; I side with Mr Sheldon only insofar as I observe that one tactic of a 
determined monopolist is to engage compliant regulators to more firmly ensconce 
them, and I believe that's a Bad Thing.

Blessings..

..Allen Kitchen, Old Guy

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