On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Ryan Shea <ryans...@google.com> wrote: > Not sure I've seen any evidence (or implied) that the tunnel was the > problem. My issue as far as I know is at the application layer and other > end-user experiences seemed a reasonable way to pick a direction. I will > work with HE though and provide them some details. >
i have this: yt_ that I should add to a code.google.com location... and will ship you a copy tomorrow of as well. Running this on my home fios + he-tunnel bits now to see what result come out. I'd report that the YT homepage seems to be 'super slow' loading and that when I stream: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDZX4ooRsWs> (was on the YT homepage as a featured video.. though I am a sucker for the song....) I seem to stream from: 2607:f8b0:400d:c06::81 qh-in-x81.1e100.net. that's not TOO far off my homebase, so... it seems reasonable for a geolocation choice. > Agreed, from an end-user perspective it can be often be clear as mud > whether I am using v6, or whether my Chromecast or Android device even > implements happy eyeballs. The relatively new "experiencing problems?" > butter bar that shows up beneath a video with notable buffering problems > (even at low quality levels) sends the user through to details about the > service provider, in this case HE. Over the past couple years YouTube has > been my canary to know when I've received a new IP from Verizon and I need > to go fix my tunnel -- video loading takes fuuuuuuuurever on > Android/Chromecast/GoogleTV (which hints that happy eyeballs, if it exists > for Android, isn't working so well for the YouTube app). > > I can't get native v6 at my home -- I'm probably not in a particularly > unique situation. Not to rathole the dicsussion, but as far as I know (save > for some small DSL providers) unless I'm in a gFiber city or happen to be > in the portion of the Comcast network that provides native v6 I'm out of > luck. I don't plan on moving to solve this problem. > i think jjb's report was that 'all' of comcast (consumer at least) is v6 capable... as a point of reference. I expect the heat-death of the universe before fiosv6 happens though. (back on that 'simply embarassing' commentary from 8+ months ago, of course) -chris > > > On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Jeroen Massar <jer...@massar.ch> wrote: > >> On 2014-08-20 18:21, Ryan Shea wrote: >> > IRC is a good suggestion, thanks. They'll likely be helpful. >> > >> > I see no indication of any throttling from my ISP - I can blast data at >> > full speed to my home from my server and work (with native v6 >> > connections). >> >> Does that path between your $home and $server go over the tunnel you >> find so "slow"? >> >> If so, then you have just nicely excluded that the tunnel is NOT the >> problem. >> >> Hence, why traceroutes would be so extremely useful. >> >> >> > Contacting my ISP (Verizon FiOS) is virtually never a >> > reasonable path to a solution. >> >> google(Verizon FiOS throttle) = 71.900 results. One would almost think >> that there might sometimes be issues there. >> >> Also, do realize that the IPv6 path you are using goes over a shared >> host (the Tunnel Broker PoP) that has IPv4 and IPv6 capacity that might >> be shared in various points of the paths your packets cross. >> >> Did you test at the same time of your "blast data" that the IPv6 Youtube >> was working fine? >> >> Another thing, as browsers now do "Happy Eyeballs" (which is really >> horrible to diagnose issues with on OSX), did you check if everything is >> really going over IPv6? (hence the tcpdump/wireshark). >> >> [..] >> > To be clear, I was seeking opinions/experiences on a list that was >> > likely to have a high occurrence of folk with v6 tunnels. >> >> Tunnels are for endusers who still are at ISPs who don't do IPv6 natively. >> >> NANOG has operators who have been running native IPv6 for over a decade. >> >> Hence, StackExchange might be useful for your purpose. >> >> > You have >> > etiquette suggestions, but not YouTube over tunnelbroker suggestions. I >> > apparently bring out your inner grump? Do you need a hug? >> >> My cat videos are streaming perfectly fine... >> >> > Burning Google engineering time would be a sub-optimal way to get HD cat >> > videos at home with the least time spent. >> >> Interesting, I was not aware they did not care about their eyeballs. >> >> Actually I am very confident lots of folks there would love to dig into >> your issue to actually resolve it. As when it is hitting you, it might >> hit other customers. >> >> Is that also not why there is this huge SRE department with lots of IPv6 >> knowledgeable folks? >> >> Greets, >> Jeroen >> >>