On Wednesday, June 10, 2015, Alex White-Robinson <ale...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Matthew Petach <mpet...@netflight.com <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > On a slightly different note, however--while it's good to > > have an appreciation of the past and how we got here, > > I think it's wise to also recognize we as an industry > > have some challenges bringing new blood in--and > > treating it too much like a sacred priesthood with > > cabalistic knowledge and initiation rites isn't going > > to help us bring new engineers into the field to > > take over for us crusty old farts when our eyes > > give out and we can't type into our 9600 baud > > serial consoles anymore. > > > > Matt > > CCOF #1999322002 [0] > > I've seen very little attention paid to junior talent in the last few > years, and know a few people who would have been talented engineers that > never got a chance to show it. > They moved into other industries because of the lack of junior roles. > > I know very few people in network engineering that are under thirty, and > not that many under thirty five. > > My unscientific impression is that 90% of the neteng jobs are for senior engineers on indeed.com with north of 5 years experience. Going back to the OP, looking for network heavies..... How do you get heavies if you don't grow a bench? My $dayjob open reqs are definately all sr eng or above. We have a decent internship program, but far from sufficient to grow a bench > On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Matthew Petach <mpet...@netflight.com > <javascript:;>> > wrote: > > > On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 7:57 PM, Jay Ashworth <j...@baylink.com > <javascript:;>> wrote: > > [...] > > > > > > And this... is NANOG! > > > > Needs more ellipses and capitalization...more like > > > > > > This...IS...NANOG!!! > > > > building up to a nice crescendo roar as you kick the > > hapless interviewee backwards down the deep, dark well > > > > > > On a slightly different note, however--while it's good to > > have an appreciation of the past and how we got here, > > I think it's wise to also recognize we as an industry > > have some challenges bringing new blood in--and > > treating it too much like a sacred priesthood with > > cabalistic knowledge and initiation rites isn't going > > to help us bring new engineers into the field to > > take over for us crusty old farts when our eyes > > give out and we can't type into our 9600 baud > > serial consoles anymore. > > > > Matt > > CCOF #1999322002 [0] > > > > > > > > > > [0] Certified Crufty Old Fart > > >