It's only partially about net neutrality. Cogent provides cheap bandwidth for 
content providers, and sends a lot of traffic to eyeball networks. In the past, 
peering partners expected symmetrical load sharing. Cogent feels that eyeball 
networks should be happy to carry their traffic since the customers want their 
services, the eyeball networks want Cogent to pay them extra. When there is 
congestion, neither side wants to upgrade their peeing until this is resolved, 
so they haven't. This has been going on for at least 5 years, and happens all 
over the cogent peering map.

Depending on what protocol you are using, it can be an issue or not. Our end 
users on eyeball networks had difficulty maintaining VPN connections. We had to 
drop our Cogent upstream and work with our remaining upstream provides to 
traffic engineer around Cogent. YMMV.



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-----Original Message-----
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Jordan Hamilton
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 5:31 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: net neutrality peering dispute between CenturyTel/Qwest and Cogent in 
Dallas 

I have several customers that are having packet loss issues, the packet loss 
appears to be associated with a Cogent router interface of 38.104.86.222.  My 
upstream provider is telling me that the packet loss is being caused by a net 
neutrality peering dispute between CenturyTel/Quest and Cogent in Dallas.  I 
did some quick googling to see if I could come up with any articles or 
something like that I could provide to my customers and did not see anything.  
Anyone know any details?

Thanks

Jordan Hamilton
Senior Telecommunications Engineer

Empire District Electric Co.
720 Schifferdecker
PO Box 127
Joplin, MO 64802

Ph:  417-625-4223
Cell:  417-388-3351


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