Yes, I looked at CASA, but their small unit is the C1G, which is an 8x8 max DOCSIS 3.0 unit. Plus they want a high price point, almost quadruple what a 16X4 Pico Digital or Harmonic's unit cost. Not seeing the value or specs there to justify it.
On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Steven Shalita <sshal...@comcast.net> wrote: > Have you looked at Casa Systems? They some smaller density MDU stuff. > > -Steve > > Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse any errors. > > > On Feb 9, 2016, at 12:20 PM, Colton Conor <colton.co...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Scott, > > > > Have any idea which exact vendors and model numbers are within this price > > range? So far I have just found mini CMTS systems like the Pico and > > Harmonic's. Both of these are a 16x4 configuration, but no mention of > > remote MAC+PHY nor DOSIS 3.1. Then their is Huawei's solution, but still > I > > think that's more based on C-DOCSIS. Searching the vendors websites you > > recommended show no results for remote MAC+PHY in a small format. > > > >> On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Scott Helms <khe...@zcorum.com> wrote: > >> > >> Colton, > >> > >> D3.1 gear is just coming online right now. If you're going to go with > the > >> smaller PHY+MAC approach I'd just make sure the company has plans to > update > >> their boxes to 3.1 in a decent (your judgement) amount of time. Don't > >> expect any 3.0 box to be software upgradeable to 3.1, the hardware is > quite > >> different. The PHY+MAC boxes are _generally_ < $10k and some are > talking > >> about ~6k. > >> > >> All the vendors we've listed so far have plans for 3.1, but I don't > have a > >> timeline for any of them. Right now the market is still trying to > decide > >> how modular CMTS will be rolled out, remote PHY, remote MAC+PHY, or a > >> combination. For example, Cisco is (for the moment) betting that remote > >> PHY economics will be compelling for the larger operators, while Arris > is > >> doing both approaches. > >> > >> > >> Scott Helms > >> Chief Technology Officer > >> ZCorum > >> (678) 507-5000 > >> -------------------------------- > >> http://twitter.com/kscotthelms > >> -------------------------------- > >> > >> On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 3:31 PM, Colton Conor <colton.co...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Is a remote MAC+PHY the same thing as a Distributed Converged Cable > >>> Access Platform (D-CCAP) solution like Huawei is pushing? Is DOCSIS 3.1 > >>> even out, or am I looking for something that does not exist yet? > >>> > >>> Are these remote MAC+PHY devices in the under 10K price range that > these > >>> smaller all in one CMTS platforms are? > >>> > >>>> On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 12:49 PM, Scott Helms <khe...@zcorum.com> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Colton Conor <colton.co...@gmail.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Yes, we are in the USA. So based on everyones recommendations, I am > >>>>> going to stay far away from EURODOCSIS. I was told be a vendor that > >>>>> Arris and other USA FCC certified cable modems could easily be > flashed to > >>>>> EURODOCIS mode, so I did not think the CPE side was that big of a > deal (is > >>>>> that even true). I was not aware that there were so many differences > >>>>> besides just the channel width. > >>>> > >>>> I wish this were the case, it would make my life easier. The problem > is > >>>> that there is a diplex filter that prevents the upstream burst from > being > >>>> heard by the downstream receiver and for cost purposes all the D3 and > >>>> earlier modems have fixed filters. What that means is that a > EuroDOCSIS > >>>> modem can (sometimes) be flashed to use 6MHz channels, but the > reverse is > >>>> NOT true. In any case we don't recommend using Euro modems that are > >>>> flashed to US standards in production (nor do the vendors) because > you'll > >>>> see much more upstream leakage. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> So, assuming we are talking about DOCSIS only (and not EURODOCSIS), > >>>>> what do you recommend? I like the idea of being able to upgrade to > 3.1, but > >>>>> not sure if there are any small systems capable of this? By small I > mean > >>>>> something that could feed less than 100 units, and be economical to > do. > >>>>> Cable has the advantage of cheap modems, so it's really the CMTS > side. > >>>> > >>>> In that case I'd definitely go with a remote MAC+PHY. That's the only > >>>> way you're going to get a good price point and decent performance > unless > >>>> you want to use the secondary market, which actually isn't a bad idea > right > >>>> now. A used 7225 with 8x8 blades is pretty cheap, but it's > centralized > >>>> CMTS that would cover ~3k subs. > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Please remember I am only interested in data internet services over > >>>>> this plant. Something that works for garden style layouts where I > can bring > >>>>> fiber or coaxial to the side of a garden townhome that has between 4 > to 16 > >>>>> units inside of it. The reason I requested a harden outdoor unit is > that > >>>>> most all of the garden style properties have both the phone > >>>>> and coaxial drops on the outside of the building. There is no central > >>>>> closet or room. Plus we are in the south, so hardened for the > >>>>> heat exposure makes sense. > >>>>> > >>>>> A remote MAC-PHY (or pre remote MAC-PHY, ala mini CMTS) sounds like > >>>>> what I want. I will check into Huawei and Gainspeed. Who else makes > these? > >>>> > >>>> In no particular order, Arris is or will be, Teleste (Euro vendor > trying > >>>> to break into the US), Sumavision, Altera, and ton more I can't > remember. > >>>> Come to one of the SCTE shows (it's in Philadelphia this year) if you > want > >>>> to be deluged with them :) > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 11:24 AM, Scott Helms <khe...@zcorum.com> > wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Nick, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Absolutely, if your plant is in Europe or one of the other areas > (lots > >>>>>> of Africa and the middle East is like that) that adopted EuroDOCSIS > I'd > >>>>>> agree wholeheartedly. I didn't see Colton say where they're > located, but > >>>>>> all North America is the US flavor so that's what I assume on NANOG. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> That being said, the best thing that seldom gets mentioned about > D3.1 > >>>>>> is getting us to unified channelization. > >>>>>> Scott Helms wrote: > >>>>>>> That very small upside for an extreme downside.Trying to hire > someone > >>>>>>> to work on your system with Euro channelization, not to mention > >>>>>> buying > >>>>>>> amplifiers and passives is a huge PITA. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ... if your plant is in the US. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> I have customers in Europe who > >>>>>>> decided to do US DOCSIS and they universally wish they had used the > >>>>>>> local "flavor". > >>>>>> > >>>>>> as you say, eurodocsis works well in europe. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 3.1 will be a major improvement when it materialises. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Nick > >> >
