Then you have the lists which want money to be removed. I have an IP that was blacklisted by hotmail. Just a single IP. I have gone through the procedures that are referenced in the return e-mails. No response. My next step says something about a $2500 fee to have it investigated. I know several blacklists which are this way. Luckily, many admins do not use such lists.
Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net --- http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth http://www.midwest-ix.com COO/Chairman Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric > On Mar 12, 2017, at 9:10 PM, Bob Evans <b...@fiberinternetcenter.com> wrote: > > Pete's right about how IPs get put on the lists. In fact, let us not > forget that these lists were mostly created with volunteers - some still > today. Many are very old lists. Enterprise networks select lists by some > sort of popularity / fame - etc.. Like how they decide to install 8.8.8.8 > as first - its easy and they think its better than their local ISP they > pay.... yet they always call the ISP about slowness when 8.8.8.8 is for > consumers and doesn't always resolve quickly. It's a tough sale. > > Once had a customer's employee abuse their mail server - it made some > lists. Customer complained our network is hosting spammers and sticking > them in the middle of a problem that is our networks. Hard win. Took us > months to get that IP off lists. That was one single IP. We did not allow > them to renew their contract once the term was over. Now, they suffer with > comcast for business. ;-) > > Thank You > Bob Evans > CTO > > > > >> On Sun, 12 Mar 2017, Pete Baldwin wrote: >> >>> So this is is really the question I had, and this is why I was >>> wanting to >>> start a dialog here, hoping that it wasn't out of line for the list. I >>> don't >>> know of a way to let a bunch of operators know that they should remove >>> something without using something like this mailing list. Blacklists >>> are >>> supposed to fill this role so that one operator doesn't have to try and >>> contact thousands of other operators individually, he/she just has to >>> appeal >>> to the blacklist and once delisted all should be well in short order. >>> >>> In cases where companies have their own internal lists, or only >>> update >>> them a couple of times a year from the major lists, I don't know of >>> another >>> way to notify everyone. >> >> I suspect you'll find many of the private "blacklistings" are hand >> maintained (added to as needed, never removed from unless requested) and >> you'll need to play whack-a-mole, reaching out to each network as you find >> they have the space blocked on their mail servers or null routed on their >> networks. I doubt your message here will be seen by many of the "right >> people." How many company mail server admins read NANOG? How many >> companies even do email in-house and have mail server admins anymore? :) >> >> Back when my [at that time] employer was issued some of 69/8, I found it >> useful to setup a host with IPs in 69/8 and in one of our older IP blocks, >> and then do both automated reachability testing and allow anyone to do a >> traceroute from both source IPs simultaneously, keeping the results in a >> DB. If you find there are many networks actually null routing your >> purchased space, you might setup something similar. >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Jon Lewis, MCP :) | I route >> | therefore you are >> _________ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_________ >> > >