I updated all applicable records for a new client in the past month. Didn't seem that difficult. *shrugs*
I did have control of the email server for the domain in the POCs, though. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Noble" <sno...@sonn.com> To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2018 5:11:57 PM Subject: Re: AS Numbers unused/sitting for long periods of time Inaccurate whois data from ARIN is not a good way to tell anything as ARIN is terrible to deal with when you need to update an address or phone number or anything. I know personally as I had to fight for years to update the data on an ASN that ARIN was billing me to manage the data for. > Chris Adams <mailto:c...@cmadams.net> > January 2, 2018 at 2:56 PM > > I know of two (from a former job) that pre-date ARIN that haven't been > used since 1999 because those two companies no longer exist (nor AFAIK > does any successor company). The whois information is bogus at this > point, but I couldn't prove that. > > I expect that AS numbers allocated by ARIN and other current RIRs are > not abandoned like that (since they charge annual fees, and I assume > they reclaim for non-payment), so the number of abandoned AS numbers is > probably not growing significantly (and would not grow beyond the > pre-RIR pool). > > With 32 bit AS numbers though, what's the point of making an effort to > reclaim the old AS numbers? BGP4 has been shown to handle alternate > length AS numbers, so if somehow 4 billion are allocated, it probably > won't be a big deal to extend BGP again. > > James Breeden <mailto:ja...@arenalgroup.co> > January 2, 2018 at 2:46 PM > Before I take this to the ARIN PPML, wanted to get NANOG's thoughts. > > > I'm amazed at the number of AS numbers that are assigned, but not > actively being used. I'm not talking just like they are offline for a > week or month, this is complete non-use of the AS in the global > routing table within *years*. They are completely abandoned resources > - Whois data is inaccurate by 5-10 years, no routeviews data in the > same time period, the owning organization (if you can find it) > scratches their heads about responding whether they use it or not, etc. > > > I know we're currently not in a push to get AS numbers or close to > exhaustion, but I do believe that people who have global AS numbers > should have a requirement to use them or return them to the global > pool. Am I the only one thinking this? > > > And before you come back with "Well they may be using it internally > where it doesn't need to be in the GRT" - that's why we have Private > AS numbers. > > > I.e. some form of ARIN or global policy that basically says "If AS > number not routed or whois updated or used in 24 months, said AS > number can be public noticed via mailing list and website and then > revoked and reissued to a pending, approved AS request" > > > Just thinking aloud. Happy New Year all! > > > James W. Breeden > > Managing Partner > > > > [logo_transparent_background] > > Arenal Group: Arenal Consulting Group | Acilis Telecom | Pines Media > > PO Box 1063 | Smithville, TX 78957 > > Email: ja...@arenalgroup.co<mailto:ja...@arenalgroup.co> | office > 512.360.0000 | cell 512.304.0745 | > www.arenalgroup.co<http://www.arenalgroup.co/>