Well said
On 12/07/2018 07:48 PM, Max Tulyev wrote: > Hi All, > > we are fighting with censorship in our country. So I have something to say. > > First, censorship is not just "switch off this website and that > webpage". No magic button exist. It is more complex, if you think as for > while system. > > Initially, networks was build without systems (hardware and software) > can block something. > > Yes, you may nullroute some IP with some site, but as the collateral > damage you will block part of Cloudflare or Amazon, for example. So you > have to buy and install additional equipment and software to do it a bit > less painful. That's not so cheap, that should be planned, brought, > installed, checked and personal should be learned. After that, your > system will be capable to block some website for ~90% of your customers > will not proactively avoid blocking. And for *NONE* who will, as CP > addicts, terrorists, blackmarkets, gambling, porn and others do. > > Yep. Now you network is capable to censor something. You just maid the > first step to the hell. What's next? Some people send you some websites > to ban. This list with CP, Spamhaus DROP, some court orders, some > semi-legal copyright protectors orders, some "we just want to block it" > requests... And some list positions from time to time became outdated, > so you need to clean it from time to time. Do not even expect people > sent you the block request will send you unblock request, of course. > Then, we have >6000 ISPs in our country - it is not possible to interact > with all of them directly. > > So, you end up under a lot of papers, random interactions with random > people and outdated and desyncronized blocking list. It will not work. > > Next, government realizes there should be one centralized blocking list > and introduces it. > > Ok. Now we have censored Internet. THE SWITCH IS ON. > > In a very short time the number of organizations have permission to > insert something in the list dramatically increases. Corruption rises, > it becomes possible, and then becomes cheap to put your competitor's > website into the list for some time. And of course, primary target of > any censorship is the elections... > > What about CP and porn addicts, gamblers, killers, terrorists? Surprise, > they are even more fine than at the beginning! Why? Because they learned > VPN, TOR and have to use it! Investigators end up with TOR and VPN exit > IP addresses from another countries instead of their home IPs. > > Hey. It is a very very bad and very very danger game. Avoid it. > Goal of that game is to SWITCH ON that system BY ANY REASON. CP, war, > gambling - any reason that will work. After the system will be switched > on - in several months you will forget the initial reason. And will > awake in another world. > > 07.12.18 08:06, Lotia, Pratik M пише: >> Hello all, was curious to know the community’s opinion on whether an ISP >> should block domains hosting CPE (child pornography exploitation) >> content? Interpol has a ‘worst-of’ list which contains such domains and >> it wants ISPs to block it. >> >> On one side we want the ISP to not do any kind of censorship or >> inspection of customer traffic (customers are paying for pipes – not for >> filtered pipes), on the other side morals/ethics come into play. Keep in >> mind that if an ISP is blocking it would mean that it is also logging >> the information (source IP) and law agencies might be wanting access to it. >> >> >> >> Wondering if any operator is actively doing it or has ever considered >> doing it? >> >> >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> >> >> >> With Gratitude, >> >> * * >> >> *Pratik Lotia* >> >> >> >> “Information is not knowledge.” >> >> The contents of this e-mail message and >> any attachments are intended solely for the >> addressee(s) and may contain confidential >> and/or legally privileged information. If you >> are not the intended recipient of this message >> or if this message has been addressed to you >> in error, please immediately alert the sender >> by reply e-mail and then delete this message >> and any attachments. If you are not the >> intended recipient, you are notified that >> any use, dissemination, distribution, copying, >> or storage of this message or any attachment >> is strictly prohibited.
