This seems entirely plausible given that DWDM amplifiers and lasers being a 
complex analog system, they need OOB to align. 

--
Eric

> On 31 Dec 2018, at 16:06, Saku Ytti <s...@ytti.fi> wrote:
> 
> Hey Steve,
> 
> I will continue to speculate, as that's all we have.
> 
>> 1.  Are you telling me that several line cards failed in multiple cities in 
>> the same way at the same time?  Don't think so unless the same software 
>> fault was propagated to all of them.  If the problem was that they needed to 
>> be reset, couldn't that be accomplished by simply reseating them?
> 
> L2 DCN/OOB, whole network shares single broadcast domain
> 
>> 2.  Do we believe that an OOB management card was able to generate so much 
>> traffic as to bring down the optical switching?  Very doubtful which means 
>> that the systems were actually broken due to trying to PROCESS the "invalid 
>> frames".  Seems like very poor control plane management if the system is 
>> attempting to process invalid data and bringing down the forwarding plane.
> 
> L2 loop. You will kill your JNPR/CSCO with enough trash on MGMT ETH.
> However I can be argued that optical network should fail up in absence
> of control-plane, IP network has to fail down.
> 
>> 3.  In the cited document it was stated that the offending packet did not 
>> have source or destination information.  If so, how did it get propagated 
>> throughout the network?
> 
> BPDU
> 
>> My guess at the time and my current opinion (which has no real factual 
>> basis, just years of experience) is that a bad software package was 
>> propagated through their network.
> 
> Lot of possible reasons, I choose to believe what they've communicated
> is what the writer of the communication thought that happened, but as
> they likely are not SME it's broken radio communication. BCAST storm
> on L2 DCN would plausibly fit the very ambiguous reason offered and is
> something people actually are doing.
> 
> -- 
>  ++ytti

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