On Oct 27, 2010, at 9:22 AM, Keith Moore wrote: > On Oct 27, 2010, at 12:05 PM, Chris Engel wrote: > >> I see alot of hostility toward NAT in organizations like IETF and in part I >> understand it. Participation in such organizations, from what I've observed, >> seems to be heavily weighted toward application and protocol designers with >> transit operators being another large group. I can fully understand >> antagonism toward NAT among such groups (especially App and Protocol >> designers) as I'm sure it's existence majorly complicates their work. > > application implementors are grossly under-represented in IETF, which is why > IETF hasn't reacted more vigorously and more uniformly against NATs. > > network equipment vendors have the most clout of any group in IETF. several > of those guys were encouraging NAT and discouraging IETF from telling the > truth about NAT, because they were in the business of selling NATs, and > because NATs moved their problems into someone else's space.
I presume, in that, that you are talking about me. If you're going to do so, it would be nice if your comments reflected having read mine. My arguments have nothing to with Cisco's bottom line, and have everything to do with network operational issues. If it's Cisco's bottom line that is at issue, we can provide the memory to represent O(10^7) routes in the route table and will happily do so - bigger high margin routers are excellent for Cisco's bottom line. > NATs are a lot like drugs. drugs are indeed useful when used judiciously - > in specific cases where they're indicated and with due regard for their > limitations. but over-use of drugs, especially without proper supervision, > causes huge public health problems. this is true for antibiotics, it's > true for statins, it's true for antidepressants, etc. and it's true for NATs. > > you keep insisting on IETF endorsing v4-like NATs in IPv6 - but the effect of > what you're trying to do is make IPv6 as broken as IPv4 is. no thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > nat66 mailing list > [email protected] > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nat66 _______________________________________________ nat66 mailing list [email protected] https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nat66
