What attitude do people from power have to do with private property, which, as it was, remained with the owner of the LIR?
On Thu, Oct 27, 2022 at 5:50 PM Viktoriia Opanasiuk < [email protected]> wrote: > Dear Mattias, > > responding on «As this only affects LIRs, I doubt there will be > significant participation by non-LIRs» I must say that it affects all > internet service providers that use IP resources. In Ukraine there are more > than 5 000 registered ISPs, but not all of them are LIRs. > > > > The situation that we have now is that when russian troops withdraw from > our territory, they dismantle and take with them not only washing machines, > but also telecom equipment, TV- and radio-transmitters, leaving people who > live there without any information channels and means of communication. We > have to re-build telecom and internet infrastructure, and yes, we could > bring new equipment there, but if the IP addresses of local Internet > Providers will be transferred to other parties, we will not be able to > restore even our critical infrastructure there, and there is no place to > get new IPv4 addresses. > > > > Therefore any solutions that involve allowing transfers now and somehow > reverting them later are not solving this immediate problem that we have. > > > > > Viktoriia Opanasiuk > > чт, 27 окт. 2022 г. в 16:59, Matthias Merkel <[email protected] > >: > >> Hi Viktoriia, >> >> >> >> RIPE operates on consensus policies. A new policy cannot be adopted if >> there is a meaningful number of objections like clearly there is here. >> >> >> >> As has been explained in the in-person meetings, a freeze cannot be >> implemented until a corresponding policy is in place, as this may otherwise >> open up the RIPE NCC to civil liability. Of course, there is also a risk >> that a freeze could negatively impact Ukrainian LIRs (for example ones who >> may want to sell parts of their IP space to fund continued operations). >> >> >> >> For the reasons above, I personally don’t think that a blanket ban will >> be a good solution. Instead, the RIPE NCC should conduct increased due >> diligence on transfers from Ukraine and other high-risk regions. From what >> I understand, the NCC has already implemented these measures. >> >> >> >> Most of the recent emails have already identified themselves as >> Ukrainian, some including a reg-id or at least mentioning they were an LIR >> as well. As this only affects LIRs, I doubt there will be significant >> participation by non-LIRs. >> >> >> >> Matthias Merkel >> >> Staclar, Inc. >> >> >> >> *From: *ncc-services-wg <[email protected]> on behalf of >> Viktoriia Opanasiuk <[email protected]> >> *Date: *Thursday, 27. October 2022 at 15:51 >> *To: *[email protected] <[email protected]> >> *Subject: *[ncc-services-wg] IP adress transferring in Ukraine >> >> Hi everyone! >> >> >> >> Looking at such a broad discussion around the issue of the decision to >> protect Ukrainian IP resources, I want to add a comment and a wish. >> >> >> >> First of all, I would like to clarify the issue a little. We are only >> talking about temporarily freezing the transfer of IP addresses until a >> solution to correctly identify and prohibit risky transfers is found and >> implemented. >> >> And in order to understand who exactly is against the temporary freeze or >> who supports it , it would be very good if you wrote a few words about who >> exactly those who express their position represent. >> For example, does the company have LIR status, is the company an ISP >> provider, and if so, in which regions of Ukraine does it provide services. >> If the LIR is not a ISP provider, does it continue its work in Ukraine? >> This is purely to understand whether the position of the participant in the >> discussion is from a representative of the Ukrainian community and what >> part of this community he represents. >> >> >> Otherwise, this discussion may slightly distort the real problems that >> exist in Ukraine today. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Viktoriia Opanasiuk >> > > > -- > З повагою, > Вікторія Опанасюк > -- > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change > your subscription options, please visit: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg >
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