Hi All,
31.10.22 10:25, Viktoriia Opanasiuk пише:
The idea is to close the market, limiting the transfers only to
Ukrainian companies.
The proposal is to temporarily deny ALL transfers, inside and outside of
Ukraine, so that all resource holders will remain with what they have,
and nobody could possibly get hold of their resources.
No. The proposal was deny all transfers outside Ukraine. That's what you
told at the meeting, and that what Fedienko forced Ukrainian operators
to write to the meeting chat.
And even if that assumption would not be wrong, it is quite unrealistic
that Ukrainian companies that maintain infrastructure and struggle to
rebuild networks on destroyed or de-occupied territories are going to
sell their IP addresses to get some profit - they do not have enough of
them already, how are they going to get more?
Again, that's NOT YOUR RESOURCE! And this is not a government business
what to do with it.
But I'm happy you admitted the one of the real reasons of the ban - to
implement the government control of transfers.
On the other hand, there is quite real scenario for companies whose
business is based on re-selling IP addresses or providing "services" of
moving resources out of Ukraine, including the one that Max Tulyev
announced just several days ago
(https://www.facebook.com/mt6561/posts/pfbid0273c1ndwbZXBLc9ST7sFwisCC9o8Bw9Yhs8vAUfX1e9HP5UmQexvUCbnGp8RtQVvFl
<https://www.facebook.com/mt6561/posts/pfbid0273c1ndwbZXBLc9ST7sFwisCC9o8Bw9Yhs8vAUfX1e9HP5UmQexvUCbnGp8RtQVvFl>).
Such businesses will not thrive if the transfers will be frozen.
Yes, I will help people to avoid your robbery as much as possible.
Again, THAT IS NOT YOUR RESOURCES! KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF!
First, while RIPE NCC accepts "documents" issued on the
occupied territories based on LPR/DPR/Russian jurisdiction,
this ban of Ukrainian resources transfer can be easily avoided
just using these "documents". Including for the real forced
transfers.
It isn't clear what is the problem you describe here.
However, it is a problem that many companies from those territories are
registered by RIPE NCC based on registration papers issued either by
russia or dnr/lnr, and therefore might not be seen as Ukrainian.
Ideally RIPE NCC should block transfers of companies registered on the
whole internationally recognized territory of Ukraine, including all
occupied territories.
I totally agree NCC should not accept any "documents" issued by
occupation administrations. But they do. And again, it is nothing to do
with the ban.
For someone who fled the country it might seem that there are distressed
areas and areas "behind high mountains". But the reality in Ukraine is
that the whole country is distressed. There are companies registered in
what you describe as "safe areas", but they have representatives on all
territory of the country, including occupied areas. Or the head of a
company in the "safe" territory could have relatives who are under
occupation. In all such cases they could be threatened and forced to
sign transfer documents.
Due to this logic, some of the representatives of for example
Netherlands company can be there in the distress area. Yes, they
possibly can. Why you don't ask to ban all IP transfers within the
Netherlands?
Again, the proposal is to temporarily hold all transfers of Ukrainian
holders.
I here it first time now. Before that, you said about transfers outside
Ukraine.
And in the end it will be better if we focus our efforts on solving the
problem, and not on writing a hypothetical stories. The discussion
should be constructive and effective.
We do not want to solve your fictional problems, sorry.
And we do not want any forms of government control for IPv4 address
space, including any country-wide bans.
Yes, there should be more strict checks for the distressed areas. There
should be a "red button" inside a LIR portal. And that's all.
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