Don, Thanks for this information. The max equipment width of 21.25" is what I was looking to verify and several sources are in agreement. Your assistance is greatly appreciated.
Thx, Joe -----Original Message----- From: Don Robert House [mailto:dho...@excelsus-tech.com] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 2:29 AM To: Joe Finlayson; Ed Hickey Cc: NEBS@world.std.com; jim.har...@tellabs.com Subject: RE: Equipment dimensions for 23" Rack Importance: High Joe and Ed, I took careful measurements today. 23" is the distance between the far ends of the mounting ears on the sides of the equipment. The maximum width of the equipment itself is 21 1/4 inches. The center of the mounting holes on one side to the center of the holes on the other side is 22 1/4". The inside opening width is 21 1/2" and the outside width measurement of the network rack is 26". The standard heights for "23 inch" network equipment racks are 7 foot, 9 foot, and 11 foot 6 inches. I hope this is somewhat helpful to you. I will continue to look for appropriate documentation. Don -- Don R. House, Technical Representative From - Sat Feb 22 07:52:00 2003 Return-Path: <nebs-appro...@world.std.com> Received: from mtiwgwc14.worldnet.att.net ([127.0.0.1]) by mtiwgwc14.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.12 201-253-122-126-112-20020820) with ESMTP id <20030221073622.jwjy22738.mtiwgwc14.worldnet.att....@mtiwgwc14.worldnet.att.net> for <matt.campane...@worldnet.att.net>; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 07:36:22 +0000 Received: from theworld.com (pcls1.std.com[199.172.62.103]) by mtiwgwc14.worldnet.att.net (mtiwgwc14) with ESMTP id <2003022107362101400kiicme>; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 07:36:21 +0000 Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [199.172.62.20]) by TheWorld.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA23959; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 02:35:52 -0500 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by europe.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA22383 for nebs-outgoing; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 02:32:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from TheWorld.com (pcls4.std.com [199.172.62.106]) by europe.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA22078 for <n...@facteur.std.com>; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 02:29:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.abac.com (smtp2.abac.com [216.55.128.11]) by TheWorld.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA20095 for <NEBS@world.std.com>; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 02:29:28 -0500 Received: from [216.55.130.181] (216-55-130-181.dialup.tnt01.san-diego.abac.net [216.55.130.181]) by smtp2.abac.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB1AF369BA4; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 23:29:25 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: <p05200f1cba7b82e81da1@[216.55.130.181]> In-Reply-To: <c9afc8e904d49c4593eb077a2e8402ba272...@wench.telica.com> References: <c9afc8e904d49c4593eb077a2e8402ba272...@wench.telica.com> X-Priority: 2 (High) List-Post: nebs@world.std.com Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 23:29:21 -0800 To: Joe Finlayson <jfinlay...@telica.com>, Ed Hickey <cycl...@mc.net> From: Don Robert House <dho...@excelsus-tech.com> Subject: RE: Equipment dimensions for 23" Rack Cc: NEBS@world.std.com, jim.har...@tellabs.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: nebs-appro...@world.std.com Precedence: list Reply-To: nebs@world.std.com X-Mozilla-Status: a011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-UIDL: <p05200f1cba7b82e81da1@[216.55.130.181]> Joe and Ed, I took careful measurements today. 23" is the distance between the far ends of the mounting ears on the sides of the equipment. The maximum width of the equipment itself is 21 1/4 inches. The center of the mounting holes on one side to the center of the holes on the other side is 22 1/4". The inside opening width is 21 1/2" and the outside width measurement of the network rack is 26". The standard heights for "23 inch" network equipment racks are 7 foot, 9 foot, and 11 foot 6 inches. I hope this is somewhat helpful to you. I will continue to look for appropriate documentation. Don -- Don R. House, Technical Representative From - Wed Feb 19 03:30:55 2003 Return-Path: <nebs-appro...@world.std.com> Received: from mtiwgwc15.worldnet.att.net ([127.0.0.1]) by mtiwgwc15.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.12 201-253-122-126-112-20020820) with ESMTP id <20030219071745.dree304.mtiwgwc15.worldnet.att....@mtiwgwc15.worldnet.att.net> for <matt.campane...@worldnet.att.net>; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 07:17:45 +0000 Received: from theworld.com (pcls4.std.com[199.172.62.106]) by mtiwgwc15.worldnet.att.net (mtiwgwc15) with ESMTP id <2003021907174401500d18m1e>; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 07:17:44 +0000 Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [199.172.62.20]) by TheWorld.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA30761; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 02:16:20 -0500 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by europe.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA19622 for nebs-outgoing; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 02:13:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from TheWorld.com (pcls1.std.com [199.172.62.103]) by europe.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA18932 for <n...@facteur.std.com>; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 02:09:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.abac.com (smtp2.abac.com [216.55.128.11]) by TheWorld.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA23535 for <NEBS@world.std.com>; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 02:08:56 -0500 Received: from [216.55.130.239] (216-55-130-239.dialup.tnt01.san-diego.abac.net [216.55.130.239]) by smtp2.abac.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AC41369331; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 23:08:53 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: <p05200f0cba78d99b1f90@[216.55.130.239]> In-Reply-To: <c9afc8e904d49c4593eb077a2e8402ba272...@wench.telica.com> References: <c9afc8e904d49c4593eb077a2e8402ba272...@wench.telica.com> X-Priority: 2 (High) List-Post: nebs@world.std.com Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 23:08:48 -0800 To: Joe Finlayson <jfinlay...@telica.com>, "'Don Robert House'" <dho...@excelsus-tech.com>, Ed Hickey <cycl...@mc.net> From: Don Robert House <dho...@excelsus-tech.com> Subject: RE: Equipment dimensions for 23" Rack Cc: NEBS@world.std.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: nebs-appro...@world.std.com Precedence: list Reply-To: nebs@world.std.com X-Mozilla-Status: a011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-UIDL: <p05200f0cba78d99b1f90@[216.55.130.239]> Joe, It is my belief that the 23" is the nominal distance for the mounting hole spacing on the equipment "ears". The inside width of the flanges being a minimum of 500mm and the outer width dimensions of the flanges being 600 mm. The second set of requirements show the inside and outside dimensions for a power lineup. I have seven Zone 4 network relay racks at our museum from Newton, AT&T and Hendry. They are all exactly the same with the same measurements. These racks house a DDS STC Hub and End Office. The equipment is designed to "just fit" into the racks. I will get out my tape measure and send you what I find out. I will then try to match the data with the proper specification. I am sorry I was not more helpful the first time around. Don Curator - NADCOMM North American Data Communications Museum 640 "C" Street San Diego, CA 92101 (619) 235-8222 (619) 235-8220 FAX At 11:24 AM -0500 2/18/2003, Joe Finlayson wrote: >Don, > > I reviewed Section 3 previously and don't see where they address the >19" and 23" racks, only the "desired" NEBS 2000 Framework Criteria for 600mm >and 750mm racks. Am I missing something here? > > R3-15 [57] The width of the flange aperture (the width of the open >space between the uprights) shall be 500 mm, +2 mm/-0 mm for the 600-mm wide >frameworks, or 650 mm, +2 mm/-0 mm wide for 750-mm wide frameworks. > > 500mm = 19.7" and 650mm = 25.6". > > This is nowhere near the "equipment width" dimensions of 19" and 23" >C.O. equipment. > >Thx, > > >Joe > >-----Original Message----- >From: Don Robert House [mailto:dho...@excelsus-tech.com] >Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 10:42 PM >To: Joe Finlayson; Ed Hickey >Cc: NEBS@world.std.com >Subject: Re: Equipment dimensions for 23" Rack > > >Joe and Ed, >I think section 3 of GR-63 (Geometric Requirements) is what you are >looking for. Think metric. >Don > > > >At 10:01 AM -0500 2/17/2003, Joe Finlayson wrote: >>Would anyone be able to provide the maximum width dimensions for >>C.O. equipment destined for a 23" rack? I perused through GR-63 and only >>found rack dimensions. A reference to the corresponding Telcordia spec >>would helpful as well. >> >>Thx, >> >>Joe >> >>********************************* >>Joe Finlayson >>Manager, Compliance Engineering >>Telica, Inc. >>734 Forest Street, Bldg. G, Suite 100 >>Marlboro, MA 01752 >>Tel: (508) 804-8212 >>Fax: (508) 480-0922 > >Email: jfinlay...@telica.com > >Web: www.telica.com > > >-- >Don R. House, >Technical Representative -- Don R. House, Technical Representative From - Wed Feb 19 03:28:07 2003 Return-Path: <nebs-appro...@world.std.com> Received: from mtiwgwc16.worldnet.att.net ([127.0.0.1]) by mtiwgwc16.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.12 201-253-122-126-112-20020820) with ESMTP id <20030218163603.hyqt2030.mtiwgwc16.worldnet.att....@mtiwgwc16.worldnet.att.net> for <matt.campane...@worldnet.att.net>; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 16:36:03 +0000 Received: from theworld.com (pcls2.std.com[199.172.62.104]) by mtiwgwc16.worldnet.att.net (mtiwgwc16) with ESMTP id <2003021816355401600h1sj5e>; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 16:35:54 +0000 Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [199.172.62.20]) by TheWorld.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27714; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 11:35:16 -0500 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by europe.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16696 for nebs-outgoing; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 11:33:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from TheWorld.com (pcls2.std.com [199.172.62.104]) by europe.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15640 for <n...@facteur.std.com>; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 11:28:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from wench.telica.com ([4.19.224.196]) by TheWorld.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16768 for <NEBS@world.std.com>; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 11:28:36 -0500 Received: by wench.telica.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <ZPPPG1HQ>; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 11:24:24 -0500 Message-ID: <c9afc8e904d49c4593eb077a2e8402ba272...@wench.telica.com> From: Joe Finlayson <jfinlay...@telica.com> To: "'Don Robert House'" <dho...@excelsus-tech.com>, Ed Hickey <cycl...@mc.net> Cc: NEBS@world.std.com Subject: RE: Equipment dimensions for 23" Rack List-Post: nebs@world.std.com Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 11:24:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: nebs-appro...@world.std.com Precedence: list Reply-To: nebs@world.std.com X-Mozilla-Status: 8011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-UIDL: <c9afc8e904d49c4593eb077a2e8402ba272...@wench.telica.com> Don, I reviewed Section 3 previously and don't see where they address the 19" and 23" racks, only the "desired" NEBS 2000 Framework Criteria for 600mm and 750mm racks. Am I missing something here? R3-15 [57] The width of the flange aperture (the width of the open space between the uprights) shall be 500 mm, +2 mm/-0 mm for the 600-mm wide frameworks, or 650 mm, +2 mm/-0 mm wide for 750-mm wide frameworks. 500mm = 19.7" and 650mm = 25.6". This is nowhere near the "equipment width" dimensions of 19" and 23" C.O. equipment. Thx, Joe -----Original Message----- From: Don Robert House [mailto:dho...@excelsus-tech.com] Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 10:42 PM To: Joe Finlayson; Ed Hickey Cc: NEBS@world.std.com Subject: Re: Equipment dimensions for 23" Rack Joe and Ed, I think section 3 of GR-63 (Geometric Requirements) is what you are looking for. Think metric. Don At 10:01 AM -0500 2/17/2003, Joe Finlayson wrote: >Would anyone be able to provide the maximum width dimensions for >C.O. equipment destined for a 23" rack? I perused through GR-63 and only >found rack dimensions. A reference to the corresponding Telcordia spec >would helpful as well. > >Thx, > >Joe > >********************************* >Joe Finlayson >Manager, Compliance Engineering >Telica, Inc. >734 Forest Street, Bldg. G, Suite 100 >Marlboro, MA 01752 >Tel: (508) 804-8212 >Fax: (508) 480-0922 >Email: jfinlay...@telica.com >Web: www.telica.com -- Don R. House, Technical Representative From - Wed Feb 19 03:27:01 2003 Return-Path: <nebs-appro...@world.std.com> Received: from mtiwmhc14.worldnet.att.net ([127.0.0.1]) by mtiwmhc14.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.12 201-253-122-126-112-20020820) with ESMTP id <20030218035133.vexh9415.mtiwmhc14.worldnet.att....@mtiwmhc14.worldnet.att.net> for <matt.campane...@worldnet.att.net>; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 03:51:33 +0000 Received: from theworld.com (pcls2.std.com[199.172.62.104]) by mtiwmhc14.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc14) with ESMTP id <2003021803513211400b4snqe>; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 03:51:32 +0000 Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [199.172.62.20]) by TheWorld.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29922; Mon, 17 Feb 2003 22:50:20 -0500 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by europe.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10119 for nebs-outgoing; Mon, 17 Feb 2003 22:47:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from TheWorld.com (pcls4.std.com [199.172.62.106]) by europe.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA09135 for <n...@facteur.std.com>; Mon, 17 Feb 2003 22:43:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.abac.com (smtp2.abac.com [216.55.128.11]) by TheWorld.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21706 for <NEBS@world.std.com>; Mon, 17 Feb 2003 22:43:03 -0500 Received: from [216.55.130.133] (216-55-130-133.dialup.tnt01.san-diego.abac.net [216.55.130.133]) by smtp2.abac.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DA27369664; Mon, 17 Feb 2003 19:43:01 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: <p05200f01ba775a9e4981@[64.24.59.48]> In-Reply-To: <c9afc8e904d49c4593eb077a2e8402ba272...@wench.telica.com> References: <c9afc8e904d49c4593eb077a2e8402ba272...@wench.telica.com> List-Post: nebs@world.std.com Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 19:41:30 -0800 To: Joe Finlayson <jfinlay...@telica.com>, Ed Hickey <cycl...@mc.net> From: Don Robert House <dho...@excelsus-tech.com> Subject: Re: Equipment dimensions for 23" Rack Cc: NEBS@world.std.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: nebs-appro...@world.std.com Precedence: list Reply-To: nebs@world.std.com X-Mozilla-Status: 8011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-UIDL: <p05200f01ba775a9e4981@[64.24.59.48]> Joe and Ed, I think section 3 of GR-63 (Geometric Requirements) is what you are looking for. Think metric. Don At 10:01 AM -0500 2/17/2003, Joe Finlayson wrote: >Would anyone be able to provide the maximum width dimensions for >C.O. equipment destined for a 23" rack? I perused through GR-63 and only >found rack dimensions. A reference to the corresponding Telcordia spec >would helpful as well. > >Thx, > >Joe > >********************************* >Joe Finlayson >Manager, Compliance Engineering >Telica, Inc. >734 Forest Street, Bldg. G, Suite 100 >Marlboro, MA 01752 >Tel: (508) 804-8212 >Fax: (508) 480-0922 >Email: jfinlay...@telica.com >Web: www.telica.com -- Don R. House, Technical Representative From - Wed Feb 19 03:26:02 2003 Return-Path: <nebs-appro...@world.std.com> Received: from mtiwgwc12.worldnet.att.net ([127.0.0.1]) by mtiwgwc12.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.12 201-253-122-126-112-20020820) with ESMTP id <20030217151608.naui9890.mtiwgwc12.worldnet.att....@mtiwgwc12.worldnet.att.net> for <matt.campane...@worldnet.att.net>; Mon, 17 Feb 2003 15:16:08 +0000 Received: from theworld.com (pcls3.std.com[199.172.62.105]) by mtiwgwc12.worldnet.att.net (mtiwgwc12) with ESMTP id <20030217151608012004eltve>; Mon, 17 Feb 2003 15:16:08 +0000 Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [199.172.62.20]) by TheWorld.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07127; Mon, 17 Feb 2003 10:14:59 -0500 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by europe.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27598 for nebs-outgoing; Mon, 17 Feb 2003 10:12:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from TheWorld.com (pcls1.std.com [199.172.62.103]) by europe.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA26732 for <n...@facteur.std.com>; Mon, 17 Feb 2003 10:05:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from wench.telica.com ([4.19.224.196]) by TheWorld.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA09650 for <NEBS@world.std.com>; Mon, 17 Feb 2003 10:05:25 -0500 Received: by wench.telica.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <ZPPPGBL0>; Mon, 17 Feb 2003 10:01:20 -0500 Message-ID: <c9afc8e904d49c4593eb077a2e8402ba272...@wench.telica.com> From: Joe Finlayson <jfinlay...@telica.com> To: "'NEBS Newsgroup'" <NEBS@world.std.com> Subject: Equipment width dimensions for 23" Rack List-Post: nebs@world.std.com Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 10:01:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: nebs-appro...@world.std.com Precedence: list Reply-To: nebs@world.std.com X-Mozilla-Status: 8001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-UIDL: <c9afc8e904d49c4593eb077a2e8402ba272...@wench.telica.com> Would anyone be able to provide the maximum width dimensions for C.O. equipment destined for a 23" rack? I perused through GR-63 and only found rack dimensions. A reference to the corresponding Telcordia spec would helpful as well. Thx, Joe ********************************* <<...OLE_Obj...>> Joe Finlayson Manager, Compliance Engineering Telica, Inc. 734 Forest Street, Bldg. G, Suite 100 Marlboro, MA 01752 Tel: (508) 804-8212 Fax: (508) 480-0922 Email: jfinlay...@telica.com Web: www.telica.com