> On 16 May 2019, at 20:37, Bill Notfaded <notfad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Did you get your ordered boards John?  I'm curious how they come apart.  

10 boards, 20 displays, are on their way from Australia to UK as we speak. I 
just hope I don’t get hammered for import duty. I only went for these because 
they are 20 digit Union Flag style and I’ve never seen any longer than this.

The displays will no doubt unsolder from the PCB easily enough, but as the 
driving circuitry is on there, I may keep them as is.

A good source of similar 16 digit serial driven displays are available in 12v 
or 5v from old AWP and SWP machines. These choke at high speed, but are really 
easy to drive. Beware of used ones as many of these are dim, mottled and at the 
end of their life. If you can find access to the filament pins, driving them 
with 12v for a short while (the filament will glow hot) can renovate them, but 
this can only be done a finite number of times before the filament burns out. 
Fine for a machine which is only switched on for a short while, ie home use. 
For a clock, not so great.

For the uninitiated, UK slot machines have these trade terms and come under 
different licensing laws, which may depend on the premises, from kebab shop to 
casino:

AWP means Amusement With Prizes. They provide some level of player interaction, 
perhaps hold buttons on slot reels for example. They do not depend on the skill 
of the player. The prize is usually coins, tokens or more plays and are 
regulated as gambling devices.
SWP means Skill With Prizes which do depend on the skill of the player. These 
might be quiz machines which might be considered to be a variation of video 
games. Maybe crane machines where you pick up goods to drop into a hopper. 
These have software control of the gripper timing and strength that will 
guarantee you lose most of the time. It appears to be pure skill, but borders 
on the criminal in operation - perhaps only one in ten tries will have a strong 
enough electro-magnetic grip to ever hold an object. You have no chance with 
heavy objects like watches, always prominently displayed.

It’s always been my contention that it is far cheaper to buy the entire machine 
and mess with it at home than throw money away in an arcade. You can usually 
sell it at the very least for what you paid for it.

John S

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