Having my NixieSat happily running on a NWTS, I've bought some more...

Next in line is a Pete Hand B7971 FLW. This is interesting as the P/S2 port 
is messed up as when the PCB was inverted a small error crept in and the 
P/S2 socket was mounted under the board but the pins were not re-routed, so 
it's a mirror of what it should be, hence the need for a specially wired 
Haicom 204III puck (an unmodified Haicom 204III with the pre-wired P/S2 
plug won't work).

Anyone done this one yet? Again, should be pretty trivial...

On Friday, 27 August 2021 at 05:18:28 UTC+1 b...@bencrosby.net wrote:

> Terry, I have used both (first) an NWTS and later also MichaelB's timelink 
> reciever to drive my NixieChron. I did buy the Microchip processor upgrade 
> from Michael for the Nixiechron with the last firmware. The process is very 
> simple as described above by Nick. At one point I was looking at getting a 
> Chinese manufacturer to make up a bunch of 6" P/S2 minidin to 3.5mm cables 
> for exactly this. Like many things, I got sidetracked.
>
> I do recall there was one NWTS setting that wasn't obvious, potentially 
> the baud rate 4800 not 9600. I honestly can't recall. On the P/S2 port, Pin 
> 1 is GND, Pin 2 is +5v and Pin 5 is RXD
>
> Effectively I'm using the master Mod-Six GPS reciever and transmitter to 
> send time to my Mod-Sixes and to the Nixiechron.
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/neonixie-l/c/vcNOdSB3nYM/m/3AmeUTtCAQAJ
>
> On Tuesday, 27 July 2021 at 9:16:23 am UTC+10 Terry S wrote:
>
>> Guys, I also need help with this, as I have a Nixichron and I'm moving to 
>> a location where I will not have a good GPS signal (metal roofed house with 
>> large overhangs!)
>>
>> Can someone help me out with an explanation of what I need to do? Rather 
>> purchase a solution than home brew.
>>
>> Thanks, Terry
>>
>> On Thursday, July 22, 2021 at 11:04:33 AM UTC-5 Jeff Walton wrote:
>>
>>> The NWTS also checks for latency of the response from the NTP and if the 
>>> response time is outside of an acceptable range, it does not update.  Later 
>>> firmware is more forgiving, according to the original developer, and the 
>>> accessibility of multiple pools beginning with 2.20 firmware resolved sync 
>>> issues for me. 
>>>
>>> Early NWTS firmware also did not have the ability to tweak the time.  
>>> That is a useful feature to synchronize clocks from different designers.  
>>> It's useful if you have clocks near each other and they differ by a second 
>>> or two.  
>>>
>>>
>>> Jeff 
>>>
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: 'Nick' via neonixie-l <neoni...@googlegroups.com> 
>>> Date: 7/22/21 3:26 AM (GMT-06:00) 
>>> To: neonixie-l <neoni...@googlegroups.com> 
>>> Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Using a NWTS on a NixiSat to replace a 
>>> Haicom 204III puck... 
>>>
>>> I had considered re-flashing to 2.21 as I bought this unit in 2017 and 
>>> never used it until now (never even built it), so the firmware is "old".
>>>
>>> Having said that, it works just fine for me. I don't need the 
>>> multi-multi-pool NTP server stuff - by using pool.net.org or one of its 
>>> regional sub-domains you already have multiple servers available and those 
>>> lists are shuffled every hour, so for domestic use it's more than adequate.
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, 21 July 2021 at 23:55:24 UTC+1 Jeff Walton wrote:
>>>
>>>> The latest NWTS software is version 2.21 (yes, this is later than 2.5)  
>>>>
>>>> Version 2.21-20190701SF 
>>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/dv1qvzdfwy43xf6/nwts2.21-20190701SF.zip?dl=0>
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Luis Ramos is maintaining the NWTS and I believe that he has an OEM 
>>>> customer that is using the NWTS module in their product.  Luis did the 
>>>> latest codes for the NWTS and it now supports multiple NTP pools – if the 
>>>> NWTS does not get a valid answer from the first time source, it will now 
>>>> go 
>>>> to another time source for the NTP solution.  It is a nice feature to have 
>>>> if the NTP source is busy or non-responsive.  The multiple NTP sources 
>>>> begins with firmware 2.20 and 2.21
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> The NWTS is still available through 
>>>> https://www.tindie.com/stores/mazevedo/ 
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> *From:* 'Nick' via neonixie-l 
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 21, 2021 2:36 PM
>>>> *To:* neonixie-l <neoni...@googlegroups.com>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Using a NWTS on a NixiSat to replace a 
>>>> Haicom 204III puck...
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Indeed - NWYTS: 2.5, NixiSat: 110210
>>>>
>>>> Couple of things - who is maintaining/selling NWTS now and who has the 
>>>> source code etc. for the NixiSat?
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Both are estate items, regrettably, and both are important!
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, 21 July 2021 at 18:34:48 UTC+1 MichaelB wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ahhh you're right, Jeff. That's probably what he was referring to. Good 
>>>> catch! 
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, July 21, 2021 at 10:29:38 AM UTC-7 Jeff Walton wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 2.5 is probably the NWTS firmware version.  The NWTS is a very nice 
>>>> solution and is very configurable. 
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> *From:* neoni...@googlegroups.com *On Behalf Of *MichaelB
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 21, 2021 11:52 AM
>>>> *To:* neonixie-l <neoni...@googlegroups.com>
>>>> *Subject:* [neonixie-l] Re: Using a NWTS on a NixiSat to replace a 
>>>> Haicom 204III puck...
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Nope, you gt the latest. I was confused a bit when you said you were 
>>>> "running 2.5 firmware". Maybe Jeff referred to this version like that at 
>>>> one time? Didn't know that if he did. Carry on Garth
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, July 21, 2021 at 9:41:52 AM UTC-7 Nick wrote:
>>>>
>>>> !  I have the latest (last) firmware if you ever want a copy
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> I'm running 110210 - is yours later than that?
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Nick
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, 21 July 2021 at 14:15:54 UTC+1 MichaelB wrote:
>>>>
>>>> That'll do the trick! I have the latest (last) firmware if you ever 
>>>> want a copy.
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, July 21, 2021 at 5:58:16 AM UTC-7 Nick wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks to all who replied but I decided to stop being pathetic and to 
>>>> do it myself!
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Basically, after the upgrades to the Haicom 204III GPS puck, the 
>>>> NixiSat is talking to the puck using RS232, 4800 baud, 8 bits, no parity 
>>>> and is expecting to just receive a $GPRMC sentence once a second.
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> So, just set the NWTS to send just send $GPRMC messages at 4800 baud 
>>>> using RS232 signalling (JP1,JP2 off, JP3 linked) - 5V power (about 80mA 
>>>> needed) from the NixiSat is on pins 1 & 2 of the 6-pin mini-DIN connector 
>>>> and RXD is on pin 5. Basically there's now a little black box behind the 
>>>> clock and that's it.
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Works a treat. I have to say the NTWS is a very nice solution for those 
>>>> needing GPS accuracy in an area where there's no satellite visibility for 
>>>> GPS. I'm running the 2.5 firmware which is quite old but it works for me 
>>>> just fine.
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Nick
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, 20 July 2021 at 22:35:18 UTC+1 MichaelB wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hey Thanks Greg. 
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Hi Nick, ping me and I can tell you how I do it so that you can use the 
>>>> clock either NWTS or GPS governed and easily swap them. The one I sent 
>>>> Dalibor is done this way. 
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> You've already done the hard part by converting the clock away from the 
>>>> older Axiom/Oncore 1PPS GPSs. And I assume converted that BNC connector to 
>>>> either a mini DIN or 1/8" TRS?
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 1:54:44 PM UTC-7 Greg P wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Nick, 
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Takes some modification to the PCB and added components.  Michael 
>>>> Barile (Bad Nixie) is the master at these conversions.  Well worth it to 
>>>> have him do it for you, he has many satisfied customers.
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 9:05:29 AM UTC-4 Nick wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone done this?
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> I have an original Jeff Thomas NixiSat with the later firmware and the 
>>>> HaiCom 204III puck that I added a few years ago - see 
>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/neonixie-l/c/evzX0noEGXg/m/4ygtcNnhj3wJ 
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> The current site of the clock has no GPS visibility, so I want to 
>>>> replace the puck with an NWTS - I just happened to have an unused one 
>>>> lying 
>>>> around...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
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