I think that means that you use one or the other, depending on what
polarity you want the final output to be. So, I'd say to put the + on
that one and the - and shield on the ground and see what happens.
Ike Zimbel
Zimbel Audio Ltd
416-720-0887
www.zimbelaudio.com
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On 2010-09-09, at 6:01 PM, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:
Ike,
I thought that was the way everything was supposed to be wired but
the back of the Valley People Rack shows it differently. It shows
the +and- tied together and the shield on it's own...thus my
confusion.
I will go with what I know and what you confirmed, let you know if I
get any buzzing or signal loss.
Thanx,
Jack
On Sep 9, 2010, at 7:39 AM, Ike Zimbel wrote:
Jared's correct, the Line In is balanced.
Jack also wrote:
"On more thing I found that has me quite perplexed:
On the back of my Valley people rack it says balance in, unbalanced
out. I have no idea why they did it that way but the really weird
part is that the terminals are marked +and- on one and ground on
the other. You just confirmed that the - or common should be tied
to the ground not the positive."
To address this and the Valley People question: It is very
common to have devices with "active" balanced inputs (as opposed to
transformer balanced inputs) and UN-BALANCED outputs. A few pieces
of gear with this arrangement that you may have heard of? The
original dbx-160VU and it's kin, Sontec and ITI equalizers, GML
eq's and compressors, Klark-Teknik DN-360 eq's (without the
optional transformers)...the list goes on. There are literally tens
of thousands of pieces of pro gear out there with that arrangement.
Why? With the advent of op-amp modules, and then low priced IC's,
it suddenly became very cheap to build a differentially balanced
input stage..all you need is one chip, or one section of a dual or
quad chip, a few precision resistors and a few caps. An actively
balanced output, on the other hand is a lot more complicated,
requires more parts, often needs to be trimmed in final assembly
(to get the +/- o/p's matched) and often involved compromises and
trade-offs in how they were able to cope with driving an un-
balanced input (ProTools HD being the best current example...they
want you to NOT terminate the (-) side when driving an un-balanced
load).
As far as wiring the Valley People output: Use a balanced (ie. 2
conductor +shield) cable, but put separate spade lugs on the (-)
and Shield leads. Put both spade lugs on the "ground" terminal. If
you get noise, try lifting the shield lead. If you don't, leave it
alone.
And finally, does anyone else here remember Craig Anderton's
column in Modern Recording magazine? His advise was always "just
plug it in and see what happens...you're not going to break
anything if you get it wrong" (or words to that effect...obviously
this doesn't apply to anything to do with power amps).
best,
Ike
On 9/9/2010 1:45 AM, Jack Dean Stauss wrote:
I will verify that aspect while the console is still pulled apart.
Thanx for the tip, I hope you are right, it will save some time.
Jack
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On Sep 8, 2010, at 9:25 PM, Jared <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]
>> wrote:
Hi Jack
A side note:
Are you sure your line ins are unbalanced? A lot of series ones
have balanced inputs and unbalanced outputs. At least that is how
mine are.
I thought I would mention this since it might save you a headache
later
take care,
Jared
-----Original Message-----
From: "[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>"
Sent: Sep 8, 2010 4:36 PM
To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: NEOTEK: Patch Bay Question
I seem to remember getting a lot of useful information from
this
list the last time I addressed my unbalanced/balanced patch bay
issues so I was hoping someone here could answer a couple
questions I have along those same lines:
My patch bay and snakes are balanced and typically to convert
the
1/4 connectors on the ends of the snakes that feed the patch pay
you just get new unbalanced connectors AND tie the common and
ground/shield together.
I will be plugging these snakes in to my unbalanced Series One
for it's direct outs, line ins etc and I wanted to make sure
this
was an acceptable approach, have any of you tried this before?
I do not need to rewire to an unbalanced patch bay do I?
Thanx,
Jack
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