Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2023 13:18:41 +0100
From: Suzon Fuks via NetBehaviour <netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org>
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Subject: [NetBehaviour] 1. Re: Jerusalem Minefield 1962 and Music for Hell
(Alan Sondheim)
Dear Alan and Johannes,
Reading your posts...
I am deeply distressed and sad, not much words.
Feeling like being in crossed angers and polarised opinions made by the
worst amalgam from social media. Even with close friends.
All lives matter!!!
No artistic triggers yet... just a dark hole
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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2023 19:59:53 -0400
From: Alan Sondheim <sondh...@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Jerusalem Minefield 1962 and Music
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Hi Johannes,
Here there was an attempted attack on a synagogue in Rhode
Island, came to
nothing. The anti-semites will be out in force.
There's no comparison to 9/11 definitely, and the comparison
does discredit
to analysis, to what actually happened, etc. in both places.
What Hamas did was absolutely horrific, I can't imagine that,
literally. It
certainly changes the tenor of things.
There's so much to blame, all the way around, and I hate the
hatreds that
also inflame these situations, make them worse.
I can't understand Netanyahu at all, the taunting, the bowing
down before
Lord Trump - that's not the Judaism I know or ever want to know.
"ordinary" Israeli and "ordinary Palestinian citizens are caught
up in all
of this...
For what it's worth also, my first wife and I honeymooned in
Jerusalem - on
the Arab side - and it was amazing. There were these small
moments of
grace...
Attaching a photograph of me there when I was at Hebrew U. in
1962.
Best, Alan, and thank you and everyone, and sorry for replying
like crazy,
it's been weird...
On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 5:23?PM Johannes Birringer via
NetBehaviour <
netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote:
> Dear Alan
>
> thank you for your writing, your video with these fascinating
60 year old
> photos, and your expression of despair.
>
> "That is what the world was and will be".
>
> I tend to follow you here, it is a most distressing moment
again, we have
> wars now in the East
> and the West/Middle East, with many powers involved, from Iran
to the US
> to Russia, I am sure, and the terrible mess will get worse,
for all.
> The "Nation" article is no consolation (thanks, though,
Paul!), how could
> it. I am not sure I like comparisons to 9/11 and the war that
followed, it
> simplifies the complex Israeli history and relations to
Palestine and the
> surrounding neighbors who speak of annihilating Israel though
recently also
> offered rapprochement. Did not some US senator or Congressman
today advise
> 'flattening" Gaza? Bombing it out of existence?
> It is also complex to read the news commentaries in the
country where I
> live part-time (German solidarity to Israel expressed on
government level;
> Muslim and Palestinian sympathizers in Berlin dancing on the
streets in
> jubilation!).
> FAZ newspaper interviewed Isareli author Lizzie Doron (Tel
Aviv), and she
> said "nothing will ever be as it was before." (?).
> Another author (Deborah Feldman, who wrote "Unorthodox", a
novel about her
> escape from an ultra-Orthodox community in Brooklyn) was
caught,
> unawares, at a literary symposium, and she offered at first,
hearing about
> the Hamas attack, a warning - saying, "it cannot be taken in,
it is too
> much, there are no words to be found."
> Then she suggested that this terrible crisis also has internal
Israel
> background contexts ? Netanyahu's policies, and attack on
Israeli
> democracy to limit judicial independence, now combined with
"security
> failures owed to moving military force to the West Bank to
support
> ultra-orthodox settlers there, neglecting to protect secular
Jews or the
> "less protection-worthy folks in the South near Gaza." This of
course makes
> one wonder what was known by the Military Intelligence and the
Shin Bet
> security service, and what was allowed to happen. I have no
idea. I am
> distressed, like Alan, and have no musical answer, or any
answer.
>
> Johannes Birringer
>
> On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 10:04?PM Alan Sondheim via
NetBehaviour <
> netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Jerusalem Minefield 1962 and Music for Hell
>>
>> https://youtu.be/kYclag76v7g video (1962, 2023)
>>
>> I don't know you and I don't know myself. Maybe 60 years ago
it
>> was different. I thought I knew something which was
Wittgenstein
>> and I knew nothing. I knew the world was not right and I was
not
>> right in the world and I acted accordingly. I acted
politically.
>> It meant nothing. The world was all that is the case and
acted
>> accordingly. I witnessed. We all acted accordingly and some
of
>> us were remain distorted. Not just because of that knot, but
the
>> world, unable to act accordingly. The few images from
Jerusalem
>> 1962, there are a lot more but these are over and done with.
So
>> I do play accordingly and to this day cannot conceive horror.
I
>> was young when I read the medical volumes of the Nuremberg
War
>> Trials and never recovered. That is what the world was and
will
>> be. My certainty is violent. I am damaged and damage others
and
>> try not to damage anyone or anything and fail. You can't
witness
>> this and not _be,_ an existential statement. I return to it
as
>> false premises, false history, as if I were someone. I'm not
and
>> none of us are, given the world's grit. In 1962-63 I studied
at
>> Hebrew University. The camera was a Minox, very small. Some
of
>> what I photographed could not have been otherwise. Don't
think
>> for a moment things have changed. This is exact. This fits
like
>> a glove. This is perfection. The music isn't. I efface myself
to
>> no avail because I constantly appear, as you do and your
friends
>> do as well. When we're gone, most of our images will be gone
as
>> well. The shadows decay in some brilliant and overpowering
light
>> in the future. Those who are there will be blinded by its
>> insufferability.
>>
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