Yes Alan but it was the point we discussed from the beginning. I has been in Palestine ten times two times in Gaza. When I asked people where they should settle down if they were obliged to leave Palestine almost Nin’s of ten told me the US. I was appalled. No one said Damascus or Qatar or Abu Dhabi or Beirut. Or Cairo. Or Canada or Australia. The same with the people fleeing from Salvador or Honduras no one want settle down in Mexico. I’m despite they know the US is the one supporting their dictatorships and making them refugees. Ana
https://anavaldes.wordpress.com/ www.twitter.com/caravia158 http://www.scoop.it/t/art-and-activism/ http://www.scoop.it/t/food-history-and-trivia http://www.scoop.it/t/urbanism-3-0 <http://www.scoop.it/t/postcolonial-mind/> cell Sweden +4670-3213370 cell Uruguay +598-99470758 "When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always long to return. — Leonardo da Vinci mån 10 mars 2025 kl. 16:16 skrev Alan Sondheim <[email protected]>: > > > At this point I'd never suggest the US should be a good place for > immigration. Definitely not now. There's a deep sense of cruelty > everywhere I think; it's in the air. - > > On Mon, 10 Mar 2025, Ana Vald?s via NetBehaviour wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2025 13:48:51 -0300 > > From: Ana Vald?s via NetBehaviour <[email protected]> > > To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity > > <[email protected]> > > Cc: Ana Vald?s <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] unbearable country > > > > Dear Alan Of course every country is a complex canvas of multiple > contents. > > Again in my first meeting with Noam Chomsky he told me don?t believe the > US is > > composed only of new liberals or bigots I travel to small parishes in the > > country side and ask money to support Nicaragua and people open their > > wallets and leave thousands of dollars. Small people poor households they > > know what?s matters. > > I mean the same country who pay for weapon to Israel has though USAID > > supported Palestinian schools for ages. A real contradiction since Israel > > has often brmbed the same schools the US paid for. > > > > > > But our discussion was to try to analyze the fascination the US has as > land > > to emigrate to. And I try to understand it and fail all the time. My bad. > > > > Ana > > https://anavaldes.wordpress.com/ > > www.twitter.com/caravia158 > > http://www.scoop.it/t/art-and-activism/ > > http://www.scoop.it/t/food-history-and-trivia > > http://www.scoop.it/t/urbanism-3-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cell Sweden +4670-3213370 > > cell Uruguay +598-99470758 > > > > > > "When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with > your > > eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you will always > long > > to return. > > ? Leonardo da Vinci > > > > > > m?n 10 mars 2025 kl. 03:04 skrev Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour > > <[email protected]>: > > Not sure how to reply to this, I agree mostly with you but the > > country isn't that coherent, totalized; it's more complex, > > leaky, and there's pushback as well. > > I don't think anyone believes the tv selling dreams etc. - not in my > > experience, and I've lived all over the place. Of course that doesn't > > mean that's right. > > > > - Alan - > > > > On Sat, Mar 8, 2025 at 11:35?PM Ana Vald?s via NetBehaviour > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Yes I know and the media and the tv selling dreams and > > showing sterile series showing wonderful decorated houses > > cars and green lawn. > > No serie showing the people living on food stamps or sleeping on > > the streets or not having medical insurance or not affording > > clothes for the children or school books. > > I remember John Steinbecks book the Grapes of Wrath or any book > > from the time showing the deep social gaps making the US to one > > of the most unequal countries in the world. > > A country ruled by a class of obscene wealthy people who can > > afford to spend trillions of dollars in wars but nothing on > > their own poor population. > > > > I remember as well when Eisenhower said we are the hostages of > > the military industrial establishment. > > > > Or remember Noam Chomsky I met him several times went to the MIT > > to make a long interview with him. He said to me Ana don?t believe > > we have here two parties we have only one party the Dems and the > > Republicans share the power and they switch between them then > > and then but none of them care for the people only for their own > > ambitions and the loyalty to their donors. > > They own them. > > > > And today is more clear Musk owns Trump and Trump is Musks > > puppet. > > > > Ana > > > > https://anavaldes.wordpress.com/ > > www.twitter.com/caravia158 > > http://www.scoop.it/t/art-and-activism/ > > http://www.scoop.it/t/food-history-and-trivia > > http://www.scoop.it/t/urbanism-3-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cell Sweden +4670-3213370 > > cell Uruguay +598-99470758 > > > > > > "When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the > > earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and > > there you will always long to return. > > ? Leonardo da Vinci > > > > > > s?n 9 mars 2025 kl. 01:22 skrev Alan Sondheim > > <[email protected]>: > > > > > > the glitz, the media, immigrants who write home, who > > travel back and > > forth, all sorts of things, ... > > > > On Sun, 9 Mar 2025, Ana Vald?s wrote: > > > > > Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2025 01:04:35 -0300 > > > From: Ana Vald?s <[email protected]> > > > To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed > > creativity > > > <[email protected]> > > > Cc: Alan Sondheim <[email protected]> > > > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] unbearable country > > > > > > It?s horrible but I wonder why many people dream > > about to live and prosper in > > > the US. It was many years ago the American dream > > went sour and the American > > > way of life is despicable and outdated. > > > A country involved in all wars in the planet > > selling weapons to the highest > > > bidder supporting every dictatorship on the planet > > repressing the rights of > > > women minorities and gays and trans and promoting > > hatred and bigotry. > > > What?s the attraction for so many people? > > > Ana > > > > > > > > > > > > https://anavaldes.wordpress.com/ > > > www.twitter.com/caravia158 > > > http://www.scoop.it/t/art-and-activism/ > > > http://www.scoop.it/t/food-history-and-trivia > > > http://www.scoop.it/t/urbanism-3-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cell Sweden +4670-3213370 > > > cell Uruguay +598-99470758 > > > > > > > > > "When once you have tasted flight, you will > > forever walk the earth with your > > > eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and > > there you will always long > > > to return. > > > ? Leonardo da Vinci > > > > > > > > > l?r 8 mars 2025 kl. 23:28 skrev Alan Sondheim via > > NetBehaviour > > > <[email protected]>: > > > > > > > > > > > > please read: > > > > > > > > https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2gjjrzm54o > > > > > > "OUR" country is hateful, unbearable. > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > NetBehaviour mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > > > https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NetBehaviour mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > > > > > > > -- > > ===================================================== > > directory http://www.alansondheim.org tel 347-383-8552 > > email sondheim ut panix.com, sondheim ut gmail.com > > ===================================================== > > _______________________________________________ > > NetBehaviour mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > > > > >
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