Jason -

I thought this was very interesting and informative, and a good introduction to 
certain aspects of electronic poetry - basically, different ways of introducing 
three-dimensionality or a topographical feel into the display of text, so that 
readers can interact with the way the text is displayed on-screen, maybe 
dragging it around, maybe twisting it about, or maybe zooming through it. You 
clearly have a very spontaneous and funny lecturing style, and you're agreeably 
tongue-in-cheek about the whole electronic poetry enterprise, not to mention 
your own status as a practitioner. On the other hand I did find myself feeling 
frustrating at a number of points. The first one was that you've obviously got 
a more up-to-date version of Flash than me (which is hardly a surprise), so 
that when I downloaded one of your demonstration files, to have a play with the 
Action Script as you kept encouraging me to do, I found that I couldn't open 
it. This is a problem with using non-open-source software, of course; but I can 
appreciate that open-source alternatives to Flash are pretty thin on the ground.

Secondly, there was a certain amount of vagueness about how the Flash actually 
worked. This came into focus for me in the third of the presentations, 
WithinSpace, which I found both the most interesting and the most frustrating. 
On the one hand you seemed to expect that your audience would be Flash-savvy, 
so it was okay to just say "You call know how Flash works, so you'll understand 
more or less how this is done". Then you seemed to be launching into an 
explanation, and went as far as to say that the different bits of text were on 
different layers, and to demonstrate how extra text could be added to a layer. 
But the crucial bit, of course, it to get it all going larger and smaller, so 
that the viewer/reader seems to be zooming through the layers as he or she goes 
mousing around the piece, and I think you needed to say something about the 
technicalities of attaching code to the "on Press" or "on Release" instructions 
in the piece, and how you use this to control sizes, and so forth. I don't 
think you actually need to go into the detail of how it's done, but at least a 
theoretical sketch of the method would be handy, even for a Flash-savvy 
audience.

The counter-argument to this would be that your real concern was not with how 
to achieve this or that effect in Flash, but to demonstrate how Flash allows an 
opening-out of the text in dramatic and dynamic ways, and to make your audience 
think about how this might affect the possibilities of poetry - how it might 
make electronic poetry a different creature from printed poetry. But here again 
you seemed frustratingly vague. At one point it seemed to be getting quite 
interesting - you were talking about the possibility of concealing bits of text 
behind other things, such as squares of colour, so that people would have to go 
searching around inside a piece - and you said the real question which needed 
to be asked was what kind of poetry would be suitable for display in this 
environment? But you left the question hanging. I daresay the intention was to 
make your audience think for themselves, but in an educational piece like this 
you might at least give them a few starting-points, some idea of how to judge 
the difference between what works and what doesn't work in this kind of 
display-space. At one point you did actually reference your own piece, "Between 
Disparate Objects", as an example, and to my mind you could have made some 
points about why that works - basically the feeling that you have to travel 
through three-dimensional space inside the piece to get from one of the objects 
to another becomes a kind of metaphor for the ideas of between-ness and 
disparity which are mentioned in the title. On the other hand, if you were to 
put an oldfashioned poetic text such as "Shall I compare thee to a summer's 
day?" inside the same display-space, you wouldn't be doing it any favours, 
because you'd be disrupting all the close interplay of rhymes, enjambement, 
images, metaphors and what have you which makes a text like that work on the 
page. If you make a comparison like that then you at least start to give a 
sense of what kind of text works better in an interactive new media 
environment, and what kind is better off left on the printed page. 

The trouble is, I think you fall foul of this distinction yourself at times. If 
you look at the Christine Hume text in your Rubik's cube piece -

pound at your belief until it's empty of you
loaded with lords aft and boxes of foward lucifers
but how could a lucifer get fire in this crying night

- I'm not at all clear that it benefits from being loaded onto a virtual cube 
so that readers can dynamically swivel it around all over the place: in fact I 
feel fairly sure that it would be better off in print.

All this having been said, however, I do think you're putting together a very 
approachable and thought-provoking introduction to some of the possibilities of 
electronic poetry. 

- Edward
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