Hi, I found Alessandro's answer illuminating and helpful in terms of getting a better understanding of Berardi's position although I don't know the book or the author. However the statement that Annie quoted suggests carelessness around questions of gender.
Annie, would it have made better sense perhaps if the author had described the separation of 'parents' from their babies instead? And now I'm interested about whether the author differentiates between men and women's experiences in any other places? best things Ruth -----Original Message----- From: anniea <a...@bram.org> Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity <netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity <netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] franco "bifo" berardi and women Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 13:48:34 +0200 Sorry mail left before I was finished Indeed Alessandro, I do agree that working in front of a computer screen has all kind of bodily implications. The most evident one, being the use of only fingers to expres what ever we feel in front of a screen. The body image in our brain already has very big hands, I am convinced that the body image of for instance a child that uses the computer a lot will have comparatively even bigger hand parts. http://piclib.nhm.ac.uk/piclib/www/image.php?img=87494 Youngsters nowadays don't have the same brain as I had at the same age or as had most of their teachers and that is creating a problem in education. This is a very general problem and doesn't have anything to do with gender. So what was and is bothering me is that Berardi solely talks about women, as if it should be solely her role to take care of the baby. Maybe it's not important, but it feels as a very conservative trait in an otherwise very enlightening approach. I might be wrong. Annie On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 1:40 PM, a <a...@bram.org> wrote: Indeed Alessandro, I do agree that working in front of a computer screen has all kind of bodily implications. The most evident one, being the use of only fingers to expres what ever we feel in front of a screen. The body image in our brain already has very big hands, I am convinced that the body image of for instance a child that uses the computer a lot will have comparatively even bigger hand parts. http://piclib.nhm.ac.uk/piclib/www/image.php?img=87494 Youngsters nowadays don't have the same brain as I had at the same age or and that is re On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Alessandro Ludovico <a.ludov...@neural.it> wrote: Hi Anne and list, Actually, as you pointed out, Bifo is a master in analyzing the contemporary forms of immaterial and information-related alienation. Probably he meant that: capital is composing an almost unbearable puzzle of alienating practices for the social class that he defines as the "cognitariat". There's a specific piece of this puzzle related to women, and it is distancing her from their young babies in various ways. In post-pregnancy, for example, she has to return to work when the baby is 3 months old (or even before), usually she works distant from home, and usually she has to work full time or even more regardless of her condition, especially in private companies). That's worst then it used to be. All of the above sums up to her non-physical work in front of a screen. So her important physical relationship with the baby is more than ever reduced, and her body is even more physically deprived, because she's using only hands on a keyboard with an overstimulation of the "soul", as Bifo defines it in his latest book "The Soul at Work" (review http://www.neural.it/art/2010/04/franco_bifo_berardi_the_soul_a.phtml) In my humble opinion, Alessandro Ludovico >Lately I have been reading "Precarious Rhapsody" by Franco "Bifo" >Berardi. It was very interesting to read and gave me the feeling of >finally meeting a "new" perspective and an original thinker on >capitalism, sickness, work, boredom, terror and error, machines and >even poetry. > >There is one phrase that I can't forget : >"In neoliberal society women are forced to work away from home, and >so they are distanced from their babies, in conditions of >psycho-psysical stress, anxiety and affective impoverishment." >What does this mean? >Does Berardi want women to stay at home? > >Anyone on this list that knows his work and writing better than I do >ca, shed some light? > >Yours >Annie Abrahams > > >-- >Documentation Huis Clos / No Exit - On Collaboration - ><http://bram.org/huisclos/oncollaboration/>http://bram.org/huisclos/oncollaboration/ >loK8Tr, Matthew Pioro, about the dangers and pitfalls of online >collaboration ><http://aabrahams.wordpress.com/2010/03/20/about-the-dangers-and-pitfalls-of-online-collaboration/>http://aabrahams.wordpress.com/2010/03/20/about-the-dangers-and-pitfalls-of-online-collaboration/ > >#avg_ls_inline_popup { position:absolute; z-index:9999; padding: 0px >0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-top: 0px; width: 240px; overflow: >hidden; word-wrap: break-word; color: black; font-size: 10px; >text-align: left; line-height: 13px;} > >_______________________________________________ >NetBehaviour mailing list >NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org >http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- Alessandro Ludovico - Neural - english (http://neural.it/) italian (http://www.neural.it/neural_it/) Latest Issue (#35 + extra) - http://www.neural.it/art/2010/03/neural_35_friends.phtml Subscribe - http://www.neural.it/subscribe.phtml - Twitter: http://twitter.com/_neural Facebook Group: http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=41374986391&ref=ts _______________________________________________ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- Documentation Huis Clos / No Exit - On Collaboration - http://bram.org/huisclos/oncollaboration/ loK8Tr, Matthew Pioro, about the dangers and pitfalls of online collaboration http://aabrahams.wordpress.com/2010/03/20/about-the-dangers-and-pitfalls-of-online-collaboration/ -- Documentation Huis Clos / No Exit - On Collaboration - http://bram.org/huisclos/oncollaboration/ loK8Tr, Matthew Pioro, about the dangers and pitfalls of online collaboration http://aabrahams.wordpress.com/2010/03/20/about-the-dangers-and-pitfalls-of-online-collaboration/ _______________________________________________ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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