On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 10:27:43 +0000 Simon Biggs <si...@littlepig.org.uk> wrote:
> That's one (rather romantic) model for making art. The use of the > word "we" here is problematic. Many do not make art for these kinds > of reasons (to express themselves and/or be novel). > > I agree with you about "timelessness" though. Everything is in > "time", just as it is of "stuff". But there are works which retain their power through the decades, and centuries, and works which loose it within a year. The former is what I currently assume works referred to as timeless have over other works. But also I think there is the magical sense also attached to this which the media will try to emphasise and exploit and place preference on in promotional material. James. > > best > > Simon > > > On 17 Dec 2011, at 08:42, Pall Thayer wrote: > > > When we create “art”, we strive to do something new. We put all our > > energy into compiling our emotions, our feelings, our experiences > > into a comprehensive whole. However, that comprehension is always > > personal. We can not separate our creative expression from our > > creative compulsions or energies. The outcome is what it is. It is > > a personal reflection of our personal interpretation of our time. > > The notion of “timeless art” is a myth, perpetuated by who knows > > what (or who)... how can a work of art be timeless? It is always a > > product of its time. To perceive it otherwise would be absurd. If > > Les Demoiselles d'Avignon had never previously been produced, would > > we accept it today as a remarkable work of art? I don't think so. > > Its production was very much tied to its time. Its importance is > > equally tied to its time of production. It represents a break from > > its own contemporary tradition - but not even a drastic break. It > > falls within its own contemporary explorations into african art > > (which had already been pursued by Ingres, in his own manner and > > had also influenced the likes of Manet.... but we could go on > > forever). Picasso was not the only one exploring these avenues. But > > that is beyond my point. We live in a time. Yes, the period is > > supposed to be there. We live in a time. It is our time. As Lilly > > Allen stated, “No, you can't have my number 'cause I lost my > > phone.” Lost my phone? When I was her age, my phone never left my > > home! But times change. We live in an age where you may “lose your > > phone”. And what goes with losing your phone? You lose your > > identity! No... you don't. Your identity is as secure as you made > > it... what?... your username was the same as your password? You > > idio.... you dear, dear child. I reviewed the work of an “internet > > artist” recently. Oh... here we go... someone addressing his time, > > his culture! He uses the fact that contemporary culture has > > provided us a plethora of personal imagery. This is good. His > > website contains compelling images of his own manipulations of > > images. His own manipulations of images.... his own man... Excuse > > me, what are you doing to these images? How are you choosing these > > images. Yes, your end results are compelling but what is your > > process? That would be far more compelling. Please don't tell me > > that you lost your phone. The only thing that truly speakes to your > > time, is your method. And you choose to veil that behind the > > eye-candy of your output? Um... ok. As I drunkenly leave my seat to > > explore the opportunities provided me by a destructive cannon of > > highly inflammabale tobacco, I deplore you to consider the issues; > > what exactly defines our time? Our culture? I think Lily Allen hit > > the nail on the head for her target group. As you consider where we > > might be, I'll be out on the stoop, smoking a cigarette. I expect a > > coherent answer when I get back. -- > > ***************************** > > Pall Thayer > > artist > > http://pallthayer.dyndns.org > > ***************************** > > _______________________________________________ > > NetBehaviour mailing list > > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > > > > Simon Biggs > si...@littlepig.org.uk http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ @SimonBiggsUK > skype: simonbiggsuk > > s.bi...@ed.ac.uk Edinburgh College of Art, University of Edinburgh > http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ http://www.elmcip.net/ > http://www.movingtargets.co.uk/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- http://jwm-art.net/ image/audio/text/code/ _______________________________________________ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
