BishopZ >>>>> "the Internet of Things will inevitably consolidate
corporate power over our personal liberty.”
How so? Isn’t the Internet of Things just the idea of connecting any and
all “things.” Or do you view it as part of some grand big data conspiracy
to surveil our every move + our every object.
Randall
On 3/4/15, 11:34 PM, "BishopZ" <xchic...@gmail.com> wrote:
>the Internet of Things will inevitably consolidate corporate power over
>our personal liberty unless we implement strict regulations on what part
>of ourselves can and cannot be quantified
>
>On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 9:28 AM, Randall Packer <rpac...@zakros.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "What are we, as NetArtizens doing/writing/ about it (when the land
>>>>>>is scorched from war and climate change)? I think this is critical,
>>>>>>fundamental."
>>
>> @Alan, what we are doing about it, here, is opening up lines of
>> communication. In a world where negotiation and conflict resolution are
>> upended by unreasonable geo-political differences and the refusal to
>>speak
>> openly, honestly, and directly: we as #netartizens can be a **model**
>>(and
>> yes, that¹s essentially the role of the artist to model) by engaging one
>> another under the radar, speaking out, openly with our work & our
>> (net)work & our voices, to help paint + perform + mediate new ideas,
>>words
>> and portraits of **our** vision of humanity.
>>
>> We have to speak in order to be heard.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/3/15, 1:15 PM, "Alan Sondheim" <sondh...@panix.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>What happens when these spaces disappear? They've always been entangled.
>>>Take Syria, today (literally researched released today) postulates that
>>>the war/s there are in part the result of climate change. Who will be
>>>physical when the land is scorched? And perhaps more to the point, what
>>>are we, as NetArtizens doing/writing/ about it? I think this is
>>>critical,
>>>fundamental.
>>>
>>>On the other point, I don't find the world divided in any sense into
>>>three
>>>spaces; there are any number of divisions that might or might not be
>>>made,
>>>and I think they obscure the entanglements and fuzzy boundaries we all
>>>live within (for example, ourselves and everything else, as microbial
>>>life). For me, that neatness has disappeared, just as "real" and
>>>"virtual"
>>>seem still to be inauthentic categories; when amoeba can learn, without
>>>the presence of a nervous system, what world are they living in? What
>>>world are we? I remember von Foerster defining life as fundamentally
>>>characterized by negation, for example, logic and categorization all the
>>>way down.
>>>
>>>- Alan
>>>
>>>On Tue, 3 Mar 2015, Randall Packer wrote:
>>>
>>>> Alan, networked space, or ?the third space? as I like to call it, is
>>>>the
>>>> world we are gravitating towards (no pun intended). I am always
>>>>surprised
>>>> the degree to which we forget or don?t pay attention to whether we are
>>>> occupying the first space (physical world) or the third space. (by the
>>>> way, the second space is the representational/symbolic world). We are
>>>> losing the distinction between the real and the virtual, the two
>>>>melding
>>>> together in a kind of ?post reality.? I think for future generations
>>>>the
>>>> distinction will no longer matter. Consider that whichever space we
>>>>are
>>>> operating in, we will always occupy real, physical space, but our
>>>> interactions will increasingly be situated on the network: just like
>>>>right
>>>> now, as we communicate through this list. So I would disagree that we
>>>> can?t prepare, perhaps what it means to be a netartizen is to be
>>>> self-critical and self-aware about the evolution from the first to the
>>>> third space. The preparation is in realizing its inevitable and its
>>>>real.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "The digital, I think, is unbearably fragile; not only is privacy
>>>>lost,
>>>> but
>>>> we are not prepared, and can't prepare, for the attacks and corrosion
>>>>to
>>>> come; instead, we grant these worlds a solidity they don't have, never
>>>> have had."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 3/3/15, 12:28 AM, "Alan Sondheim" <sondh...@panix.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi, a few comments here. My own work is a continuous production which
>>>>>at
>>>>> one time I characterized as an ongoing meditation on cyberspace; at
>>>>>this
>>>>> point I see "real" and "virtual" inauthentic (in Adorno's sense), see
>>>>>the
>>>>> body as inherently entangled among symbolic systems which have always
>>>>> been
>>>>> with us, see culture ("real" and "virtual") as characteristic of
>>>>> organisms
>>>>> in general, and see abjection/annihilation as increasing endemic in
>>>>>the
>>>>> world. It's this last I was trying to address; I wrote a text, sent
>>>>>it
>>>>> through od into hex, mangled the hex, etc.; the main point for me is
>>>>>the
>>>>> multiplication by zero, the annihilation of difference as the world
>>>>>is
>>>>> subsumed and flattened. This in fact has been the focus of my work
>>>>>for
>>>>>a
>>>>> while now, summed up by the phrase (which is also the title of a
>>>>>month's
>>>>> dialog on empyre, that was moderated by Johannes Birringer and
>>>>>myself)
>>>>> ISIS, Absolute Terror, Performance - ISIS replaceable by any thing,
>>>>> group,
>>>>> etc. insistent on the scorched earth of scorched earth, the
>>>>>elimination
>>>>> of
>>>>> culture, difference, the production of genocide and the simultaneous
>>>>> erasure of that production beneath the sign of what? capital,
>>>>>religion,
>>>>> ideology, etc. So I use technologies and networking to open up,
>>>>>across
>>>>> them, the plateaus of urgent response to a crisis which, with
>>>>>increasing
>>>>> population, temperature, and species extinctions, is bound to
>>>>>dominate,
>>>>> if
>>>>> not eliminate, us all.
>>>>>
>>>>> I suppose in that sense I'm not a netartizen; I grovel around the
>>>>>real,
>>>>> trying to deal with issues of slaughter, unutterable pain, anguish,
>>>>>and
>>>>> so
>>>>> I probably repeat myself endlessly in this manner.
>>>>>
>>>>> The digital, I think, is unbearably fragile; not only is privacy
>>>>>lost,
>>>>> but
>>>>> we are not prepared, and can't prepare, for the attacks and corrosion
>>>>>to
>>>>> come; instead, we grant these worlds a solidity they don't have,
>>>>>never
>>>>> have had.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Alan, and thank you for the opportunity to respond.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 2 Mar 2015, Randall Packer wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am intrigued by Alan Sondheim?s response to our NetArtizens call
>>>>>>with
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> reference to cultural heritage as a sequence of datapoints, i.e.:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 0000000067141066147020145071157060440063556066145063040*
>>>>>> 0000020071157072040062550062563061040064545063556020163*
>>>>>> 0000040067543062555072040071150072557064147060440074556*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here are some questions to consider:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are we in fact producing a cultural history that emanates from the
>>>>>> language of computers? Are the cultural references of today
>>>>>>increasingly
>>>>>> coded in numerical values that will need to be compiled and encoded
>>>>>>in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> far future by curious historians of the 21st century? What in fact
>>>>>>are
>>>>>> we
>>>>>> leaving behind for future generations on our hard drives and cloud
>>>>>> repositories? And how will the technological culture of today be
>>>>>>viewed
>>>>>> when these values are no longer decipherable. Are we in fact erasing
>>>>>>our
>>>>>> historical past as we create it for the digital future?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Randall
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/2/15, 11:07 AM, "ruth catlow" <ruth.cat...@furtherfield.org>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear NBers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can see some early submissions to 0p3nR3p0 here
>>>>>>> http://0p3nr3p0.net/show/netartizens
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have been tweeting some of them to twitter.com/netartizens using
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>> #netartizens hashtag.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Check them out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Send @Lowpolybot your images for auto-asbtract low-polygon artworks
>>>>>>>by
>>>>>>> @quasimondo http://bit.ly/18EPVBG. #netartizens
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> net art expressionism or glitchart? - D!G!t4L.DUMP!ng.GR0UND by
>>>>>>> @domibarra http://bit.ly/1DvQAwN #netartizens
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Camera in the Mirror by Mario Santamaria: Google robot sees
>>>>>>>itself
>>>>>>> reflected in the mirror. http://bit.ly/1APnn2z #netartizens
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cultural Heritage by @alansondheim
>>>>>>>http://www.alansondheim.org/ch.png
>>>>>>> #netartizens
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The NetArtizens Project
>>>>>>> http://www.furtherfield.org/netartizens/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 02/03/15 13:30, Randall Packer wrote:
>>>>>>>> Greetings Everyone:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> First, thank you Marc & Ruth, along with Nick Briz & Joseph
>>>>>>>>Chiocchi
>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>> 0p3nr3p0.net, who have been working for the past weeks to create
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>> NetArtizens Project, which begins today and culminates with the
>>>>>>>>Art
>>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> Networked Practice | Online Symposium (March 31 ? April 2).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So to begin the conversation, what does it mean to be a
>>>>>>>>NetArtizen?
>>>>>>>> That
>>>>>>>> is the subject at hand over the next month, not to be defined by
>>>>>>>>us,
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> fleshed out in in this space through all the varying perspectives
>>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>> make up this community.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And furthermore, as NetArtizens, we ask: how has your practice as
>>>>>>>>an
>>>>>>>> artist, educator, writer scholar & activist been shaped /
>>>>>>>>catalyzed
>>>>>>>>/
>>>>>>>> transformed / by your use of the network? How has the Net altered
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>> creation, contextualization, and diffusion of your work? How has
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>> Net
>>>>>>>> impacted your studio process? And finally, in reference to this
>>>>>>>> forum,
>>>>>>>> what are the various ?net behaviours? that result in the
>>>>>>>>immersion &
>>>>>>>> flow
>>>>>>>> of media creation, research, and information distribution that we
>>>>>>>> participate in each and every day via the network?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As we consider and discuss these questions (and more!), we
>>>>>>>>approach
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> NetArtizens Project as an opportunity to experiment in the power
>>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> network to catalyze collective narrative. As NetArtizens, we have
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>> means to tell our stories, share our work, debate our opinions -
>>>>>>>>not
>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>> as individual broadcasters speaking to the multitude ? but
>>>>>>>> collaboratively
>>>>>>>> in a hyper-distributed, socially-engaged, many-to-many exchange of
>>>>>>>> ideas
>>>>>>>> and opinion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We invite you to explore the NetArtizens Project, survey the
>>>>>>>>landscape
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> discourse & production we have provided, and become a
>>>>>>>> ?super-participant?
>>>>>>>> by shaping & sharing & disseminating the ongoing narrative. If the
>>>>>>>> flow
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> this project becomes a drowning experience, we ask that you
>>>>>>>>embrace
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> critique it! That?s the only way we?ll come to terms and fully
>>>>>>>>grasp
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> meaning of our evolving role as NetArtizens.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Randall
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The NetArtizens Project
>>>>>>>> http://www.furtherfield.org/netartizens/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Art of the Networked Practice | Online Symposium
>>>>>>>> http://oss.adm.ntu.edu.sg/symposium2015/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Reportage from the Aesthetic Edge
>>>>>>>> http://www.randallpacker.com/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 3/2/15, 7:00 AM, "ruth catlow"<ruth.cat...@furtherfield.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear Netbehaviourists,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is our pleasure to introduce Randall Packer, composer, artist,
>>>>>>>>> writer, educator, former Secretary of the US Department of Art &
>>>>>>>>> Technology, and convener of the upcoming Art of Networked
>>>>>>>>>Practice
>>>>>>>>>|
>>>>>>>>> Online Symposium (31 March 31 ? 2 April 2015).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We have invited Randall to act as host and moderator for The
>>>>>>>>> NetArtizens
>>>>>>>>> Project, a month of discourse and artistic production across 3
>>>>>>>>> network
>>>>>>>>> channels including our very own Netbehaviour discussion list,
>>>>>>>>> beginning
>>>>>>>>> right here, right now, and leading up to the symposium. You are
>>>>>>>>>also
>>>>>>>>> invited to contribute to the NetArtizens Open Online Exhibition,
>>>>>>>>>an
>>>>>>>>> evolving showcase of works submitted between March 2 ? April 2,
>>>>>>>>>2015.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For more information about The NetArtizens Project and how to
>>>>>>>>> participate:http://www.furtherfield.org/netartizens/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We invite you all to join us to explore, express, and debate the
>>>>>>>>>role
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> the network in our individual and collective practices as
>>>>>>>>>artists,
>>>>>>>>> scholars, educators, and citizens of the Net.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The NetArtizens Project is devised by Furtherfield in
>>>>>>>>>collaboration
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> Nick Briz & Joseph Chiochhi.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> RELEVANT LINKS:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Randall Packer
>>>>>>>>> http://www.randallpacker.com/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The NetArtizens Project
>>>>>>>>> http://www.furtherfield.org/netartizens/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Art of the Networked Practice | Online Symposium
>>>>>>>>> http://oss.adm.ntu.edu.sg/symposium2015/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Randall will say more about it now...!
>>>>>>>>> Can't wait to see what happens!!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Marc, Ruth and the Furtherfield Crew
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --->
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A living, breathing, thriving networked neighbourhood - proud of
>>>>>>>>>free
>>>>>>>>> culture, claiming it with others ;)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Furtherfield ? online arts community, platforms for creating,
>>>>>>>>> viewing,
>>>>>>>>> discussing and learning about experimental practices at the
>>>>>>>>> intersections of art, technology and social change.
>>>>>>>>> http://www.furtherfield.org
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Reviews, articles, interviewshttp://www.furtherfield.org/features
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Furtherfield Gallery ? Finsbury Park, London.
>>>>>>>>> http://www.furtherfield.org/gallery
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Netbehaviour - Networked Artists List Community.
>>>>>>>>> http://www.netbehaviour.org
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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