Bob Proulx <[email protected]> writes:

> Mailing lists have one very important need and that is to look for
> DMARC.  A number of sites set "v=DMARC1; p=quarantine;" but notably
> for me the sites that set "v=DMARC1; p=reject; sp=reject;" are the
> problems.
>
>     $ host -t txt _dmarc.yahoo.com
>     _dmarc.yahoo.com descriptive text "v=DMARC1; p=reject; pct=100; 
> rua=mailto:[email protected];";
>
>     $ host -t txt _dmarc.zoho.eu
>     _dmarc.zoho.eu descriptive text "v=DMARC1; p=reject; sp=reject; fo=0; 
> rua=mailto:[email protected]; ruf=mailto:[email protected]";
>
> This means that mail with a From: header of @yahoo.com will be
> rejected by servers unless it is either sent by Yahoo's servers or the
> DKIM signature is verified.  A signed DKIM signature means the headers
> and body have not been modified.

I have never been 100% clear on DMARC.  Do you really mean "or", so that
a message which has a valid DKIM signature but which fails the SPF check
is still acceptable?

> If the sending address site has set a strict DMARC configuration then
> you basically have two options.  One is to modify the headers and
> forward it through the mailing list.  Or two it can be discarded or
> rejected.  Forwarding a message from a sender site with strict DMARC
> set will be seen as a forgery by the recipient site receiving the
> mailing list and many sites, Google for one, will reject those
> messages.

If valid DKIM is ok, then you have a third option: Do not modify the
message.  Specifically, do not add a subject tag and do not add a
footer.

I believe the NetBSD lists operate this way.

I find the sender rewriting icky.   If it rewrote to a per-user
forwarding address at the mail host, so that sending to that address
went only to the user, that would be ok, but combined with incorrect
List Reply-To: it becomes all too easy for private replies to end up on
lists.   To me that is a bigger problem than just not allowing addresses
with strict DMARC policies to be on lists :-)

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