On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 01:36:44PM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote: > On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 11:24:49PM +0200, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 12:08:01PM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote: > > > On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 09:51:48PM +0200, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote: > > > > On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 11:33:39AM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 09:24:21PM +0200, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote: > > > > > > [ . . . ] > > > > > > > > > and this barrier is no longer paired with anything until > > > > > > you realize there's a dependency barrier within READ_ONCE. > > > > > > > > > > > > Barrier pairing was a useful tool to check code validity, > > > > > > maybe there are other, better tools now. > > > > > > > > > > There are quite a few people who say that smp_store_release() is > > > > > easier for the tools to analyze than is smp_wmb(). My experience with > > > > > smp_read_barrier_depends() and rcu_dereference() leads me to believe > > > > > that they are correct. > > > > > > > > OK, but smp_store_release is still not paired with anything since we > > > > rely on READ_ONCE to include the implicit dpendendency barrier. > > > > > > Why wouldn't you consider the smp_store_release() to be paired with > > > the new improved READ_ONCE()? > > > > READ_ONCE is really all over the place (some code literally replaced all > > memory accesses with READ/WRITE ONCE). > > > > And I also prefer smp_wmb as it seems to be cheaper on ARM. > > > > Would an API like WRITE_POINTER()/smp_store_pointer make sense, > > and READ_POINTER for symmetry? > > What we do in some code is to comment the pairings, allowing the other > side of the pairing to be easily located. Would that work for you? > > Thanx, Paul
Yes, that's exactly what I did for now. Thanks! -- MST
