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> -----Original Message----- > From: netmod <netmod-boun...@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Martin Björklund > Sent: 02 April 2020 17:52 > To: a...@yumaworks.com > Cc: netmod@ietf.org; italo.b...@huawei.com > Subject: Re: [netmod] versioning procedures (RFC vs. I-D) > > Andy Bierman <a...@yumaworks.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > <snipped> > > I think it quite clear that such a label should not be used in I-Ds. [RW] Currently, it takes IETF a long time to publish YANG modules. If IETF decides to use Semver labels for YANG modules then I think that giving a pre-release version label to work in progress is helpful for folks who choose to implement pre-release versions of those modules while they wait for the formal versions to be standardized. Regards, Rob > > > /martin > > > > > > bis-draft-02: 1.0.0+3 > > > > [repeat NBC step bis-draft-02 10 times] 1.0.0+4 .. 1.0.0+13 > > > > RFC-2: 2.0.0 (in general: 1.0.1 or 1.1.0 or 2.0.0) > > > > The BC vs. NBC distinction is not relevant for a work-in-progress. > > We have seen many times in this WG where a NBC change was made and > > then later undone. There is no value in tracking the module during > > development. > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 7:46 AM Reshad Rahman (rrahman) > > <rrah...@cisco.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From: *'Andy Bierman' <a...@yumaworks.com> > > > *Date: *Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 10:26 AM > > > *To: *"Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" <rrah...@cisco.com> > > > *Cc: *Italo Busi <italo.b...@huawei.com>, "Joe Clarke (jclarke)" < > > > jcla...@cisco.com>, NetMod WG <netmod@ietf.org> > > > *Subject: *Re: [netmod] versioning procedures (RFC vs. I-D) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 4:11 AM Reshad Rahman (rrahman) > > > <rrah...@cisco.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > *From: *Italo Busi <italo.b...@huawei.com> > > > *Date: *Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 5:06 AM > > > *To: *"Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" <rrah...@cisco.com>, 'Andy Bierman' > > > < a...@yumaworks.com>, "Joe Clarke (jclarke)" <jcla...@cisco.com> > > > *Cc: *NetMod WG <netmod@ietf.org> > > > *Subject: *RE: [netmod] versioning procedures (RFC vs. I-D) > > > > > > > > > > > > Reshad, > > > > > > > > > > > > My doubt and, if I understand well also Andy’s question, is about > > > the fact that before publishing an RFC-bis with e.g., 1.1.0, we will > > > have a set of Internet-Drafts updating the RFC with 1.0.0 > > > > > > > > > > > > What versions should be used in the YANG modules published in these > > > Internet-Drafts? > > > > > > > > > > > > Think about the following scenario: -00 version provide BC changes > > > to the RFC module but the -01 version provide NBC changes to what > > > has been added in the -00 module (thus the -01 version is BC with > > > the RFC 1.0.0 module but NBC with the -00 version module) > > > > > > <RR> So bis 00 would be 1.1.0 (BC with RFC module). > > > > > > Bis 01 should be updated according to its relationship to the RFC > > > module (bis 00 doesn’t matter anymore), when RFC bis is published it > > > won’t have the full history. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope I correctly understood your question. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This semver plan is not very intuitive and not sure it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > draft-00 > > > > > > > > > > > > container the-container; version 0.1.0 OK > > > > > > > > > > > > draft-01: > > > > > > container my-container; version 0.2.0; rules > violated; > > > NBC should force 1.0.0 > > > > > > > > > > > > draft-02: > > > > > > > > > > > > container my-container { version 0.3.0; should be 1.1.0 > > > > > > leaf my-leaf { type int32; } > > > > > > } > > > > > > > > > > > > RFC-1: > > > > > > > > > > > > container my-container { version 1.0.0; should be 2.0.0 > > > according to NBC rules > > > > > > leaf my-leaf { type uint32; } > > > > > > } > > > > > > > > > > > > bis-draft-00: > > > > > > > > > > > > container my-container { version 1.1.0; OK > > > > > > leaf my-leaf { type uint32; } > > > > > > leaf another-leaf { type int32; } > > > > > > } > > > > > > > > > > > > bis-draft-01: > > > > > > > > > > > > container my-container { diff against RFC-1: > version > > > 1.1.0 but already used; use 1.2.0? > > > > > > leaf my-leaf { type uint32; } > > > > > > leaf another-leaf { type uint32; } > > > > > > } > > > > > > > > > > > > bis-draft-02: > > > > > > > > > > > > container example-my-container { diff against RFC- > 1: > > > version 2.0.0 but use 1.3.0 instead? > > > > > > leaf my-leaf { type uint32; } > > > > > > leaf another-leaf { type uint32; } > > > > > > } > > > > > > > > > > > > [repeat NBC step bis-draft-02 10 times.... now up to version 12.0.0 > > > or is it 1.13.0? something else? > > > > > > > > > > > > RFC-2: publish draft-12 as RFC-2: now change the label from 1.13.0 > to > > > 2.0.0? or leave it 12.0.0? > > > > > > > > > > > > IMO it is very confusing that the stated rules are so inconsistent > > > and are violated so many ways. > > > > > > There should be no revision-label at all in Internet Drafts because > > > these documents are unpublished. > > > > > > They should only be added to the RFC version. > > > > > > > > > > > > The semver procedures are not intended to work for unpublished > > > modules that are only > > > > > > meant for review, not for implementation. The revision-label > > > provides only noise in Internet Drafts. > > > > > > <RR2> I think it’s useful to have a revision label in a draft > > > because it indicates nature of changes (BC v/s NBC) compared to the > > > previous published revision (RFC). > > > > > > But you are absolutely right that setting the version based on > > > changes with the previous draft revision is useless and confusing. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Reshad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Reshad. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Italo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Italo Busi* > > > > > > Principal Optical Transport Network Research Engineer > > > > > > Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd. > > > > > > Tel : +39 345 4721946 > > > > > > Email : italo.b...@huawei.com > > > > > > > > > > > > This e-mail and its attachments contain confidential information > > > from HUAWEI, which is intended only for the person or entity whose > > > address is listed above. 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If you receive this e-mail > > > in error, please notify the sender by phone or email immediately and > delete it! > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* Reshad Rahman (rrahman) [mailto:rrah...@cisco.com] > > > *Sent:* mercoledì 1 aprile 2020 20:13 > > > *To:* Andy Bierman <a...@yumaworks.com>; Joe Clarke (jclarke) < > > > jcla...@cisco.com> > > > *Cc:* NetMod WG <netmod@ietf.org> > > > *Subject:* Re: [netmod] versioning procedures (RFC vs. I-D) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From: *netmod <netmod-boun...@ietf.org> on behalf of 'Andy Bierman' > > > < a...@yumaworks.com> > > > *Date: *Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 2:07 PM > > > *To: *"Joe Clarke (jclarke)" <jcla...@cisco.com> > > > *Cc: *NetMod WG <netmod@ietf.org> > > > *Subject: *Re: [netmod] versioning procedures (RFC vs. I-D) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 10:39 AM Joe Clarke (jclarke) > > > <jcla...@cisco.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 1, 2020, at 13:28, Andy Bierman <a...@yumaworks.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I just want to confirm that all the proposed documentation > > > > procedures using new extensions are limited in scope to published > > > > modules only, and not applied to unpublished modules (terms defined > in RFC 8407). > > > > > > > > IMO it would be harmful to module usability to assign > > > > revision-labels or include revision-related extensions in > > > > unpublished modules (e.g., > > > Internet Drafts). > > > > Consider how cluttered and confusing the client-server modules > > > > would be if the 50+ NBC changes and versions were tracked through > all the I-Ds. > > > > > > > > For IETF modules, the first usage of the revision-label should be > > > > in the initial RFC, and be set to 1.0.0. > > > > > > > > If the RFC is ever republished then one can expect to find an > > > > updated revision-label and possibly extensions tracking NBC changes. > > > > > > The semver scheme allocates a major version of 0 for pre-releases > > > where the BC/NBC rules do not apply. I agree that a first official > > > RFC release should be 1.0.0 (from a semver revision-label > > > standpoint). From a design team standpoint, I know we mentioned the > > > 0 versioning early on, but I don’t think we spent much time talking > about modules under development overall. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IMO it is confusing to ignore the semver rules for the special 0.x.y > > > releases. > > > > > > There are many NBC changes made at this point which are treated as > > > minor or patch changes. > > > > > > The procedure is really broken once you consider a WG developing any > > > RFC-bis module. > > > > > > Now the major version is not 0 and all updates look like real > releases. > > > > > > <RR> I don’t think that’s needed. Initial module in RFC has 1.0.0, > > > module in (released) RFC-bis can go to 1.0.1, 1.1.0 or 2.0.0 > > > depending on the change. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Reshad. > > > > > > > > > > > > My take would align to yours that we wouldn’t clutter a module with > > > development NBC tracking. > > > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod _______________________________________________ netmod mailing list netmod@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod