On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 9:15 AM Jan Lindblad (jlindbla) <jlindbla= 40cisco....@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
> Qiufang, > > I'm sorry to say I'm strongly against WGLC at this time because of point > #2 below. > > One of the great contributions to network automation that YANG has brought > is that clients now have a fair chance at computing a desired configuration > change for a network element. Maybe we need to develop a more elaborate > model for configuration consistency relative today's "The running > configuration datastore MUST always be valid", but have I trouble with us > stirring up multiple interpretations and then staying silent. That's not > the way to build interoperability. > > IMO we need to sort out what the rules are before we come close to WGLC, > or else the grief outweighs the gain. > > The WG does not think NMDA is too complicated or too difficult for clients to use. I disagree. Adding more datastores and interactions between datastores will make NMDA even worse. Retrieval of multiple datastores so they can be compared for transient differences is a very complex way to convey this state information to the client. NMDA is too server-centric already. Maximum flexibility for the server developer means minimum consistency for the client developer. Best Regards, > /jan > Andy > > On 12 Mar 2024, at 03:44, maqiufang (A) <maqiufang1= > 40huawei....@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > > Hi, chairs, > > For system-config draft ( > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-system-config/), the > authors have submitted a new version to reflect the outcome of the interim, > the main updates are following: > 1. Address the "origin" issue > a. The current document explicitly states that system configuration > copied from <system> into <running> have its origin value being reported as > "intended" and update the examples accordingly > b. Also, update the definition of "intended" origin identity in 8342 > to allow a subset of configuration in <intended> to use "system" as origin > value > c. The current document states data migration is out-of-scope > except that gives a couple of implementation examples in section 4.2 > (please feel free to propose text if you have better suggestion) > 2. validity of <running> alone > a. The current document is silent on this point. Related statements > which requires referenced system nodes must be copied into <running> are > removed. > 3. Other updates > a. Usage examples refinement, e.g., fix validation errors, remove > redundancy for conciseness > > There is currently no open issues, thus the authors believe this draft is > ready for WGLC, but this might be worth a broad review on the mailing list. > > Best Regards, > Qiufang > *From:* netmod [mailto:netmod-boun...@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Lou Berger > *Sent:* Friday, March 8, 2024 9:44 PM > *To:* NETMOD WG <netmod@ietf.org> > *Cc:* netmod-cha...@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [netmod] Draft IETF 119 NETMOD Agenda posted > > > **IMPORTANT** > > Authors of WG documents, > > If your document has not yet been submitted to the IESG for publication > *and* your draft is not on the agenda, please either: > (a) request to present status or > (b) send email to the list summarizing status by end of day (any TZ) > Friday, March 15. > > In either case, please include recent changes, open issues, plan to > resolve open issues/complete the document. > > Thank you! > > Lou (and Kent) > On 3/7/2024 3:53 PM, Jason Sterne (Nokia) wrote: > > Hello NETMOD WG, > > A draft NETMOD agenda for IETF 119 has been published. Please review and > let the chairs know if any changes are needed or additional topics should > be covered. > > The agenda is pasted below, but here's the link to the always-current > version: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/119/materials/agenda-119-netmod > > Presenters: please provide slides to netmod-cha...@ietf.org no later than > Sunday March 17 (any time zone). > > Thanks, > Jason (+ chairs Kent and Lou) > > Draft Agenda for the NETMOD 119 WG Session > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/119/materials/agenda-119-netmod > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/119/session/netmod > Session: > > Thursday, March 21, 2024 > 13:00-15:00 Brisbane (Australia - Eastern Time) > 03:00-05:00 UTC > 23:00-01:00 Wednesday March 20 America - Eastern Time > > https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html?iso=20240321T030000&p1=47 > > Room: M2 https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/119/floor-plan?room=m2 > WG Chairs: > > Lou Berger (lberger at labs dot net) > Kent Watsen (kent plus ietf at watsen dot net) > WG Secretary > > Jason Sterne (jason dot sterne at nokia dot com) > Available During Session: > > MeetEcho: https://meetings.conf.meetecho.com/ietf119/?session=31987 > Onsite tool: https://meetings.conf.meetecho.com/onsite119/?session=31987 > Audio Only: https://mp3.conf.meetecho.com/ietf119/31987.m3u > Available During and After Session: > > Notes: https://notes.ietf.org/notes-ietf-119-netmod?both > Slides: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/119/session/netmod > Zulip (chat): > https://zulip.ietf.org/#narrow/stream/126-netmod/topic/ietf-119 > Drafts (TGZ): > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/119/agenda/netmod-drafts.tgz > Drafts (PDF): > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/119/agenda/netmod-drafts.pdf > Datatracker: https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/netmod/about/ > ICS: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/119/session/31987.ics > Available After Session: > > Recording: http://www.meetecho.com/ietf119/recordings#NETMOD > Jabber Logs: https://www.ietf.org/jabber/logs/netmod > 1) Session Intro & WG Status (10 min) > > Presenter: Chairs > Chartered items: 2) YANG Versioning Update (40 min) > > Presenter: Rob Wilton and Joe Clarke > Draft: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-module-versioning-11 > Draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-semver-14 > Non-Chartered items: 3) Validating anydata in YANG Library context (10 > min) > > Presenter: Ahmed Elhassany > Draft: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-aelhassany-anydata-validation-00 > 4) Philatelist and YANG time-series db (10 min) > > Presenter: Jan Lindblad > Draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lindblad-tlm-philatelist-00 > Draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kll-yang-label-tsdb-00 > 5) A YANG model for Device Power Management (10 min) > > Presenter: Tony Li > Draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-li-ivy-power-01 > 6) YANG Full Embed (10 min) > > Presenter: Jean Quilbeuf or Benoir Claise > Draft: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jouqui-netmod-yang-full-include-01 > 7) Applying COSE Signatures for YANG Data Provenance (10 min) > > Presenter: Diego R. Lopez > Draft: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lopez-opsawg-yang-provenance-02 > Unallocated time: 20 min > > > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >
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