Hi Everybody! First of: it wasn't really my intention to raise a debate on whether or not Netsukuku needs funding, i just wanted to make sure two projects that could possibly benefit from each other didn't go without noticing each other. Good to hear that some of you already heard of the FreedomBox.
Then, in all honesty, i think i should reply to Luca's call to speak up. I guess in a way i am waiting for a right moment (or rather: opportunity) to get involved in Netsukuku. I'm just an intermediate php programmer, and haven't had the heart to look at the netsukuku code so far. I follow the newsletter as closely as i can, and i grab every chance to tell people about the beauty of a peer-to-peer network if "we" (ahum) could pull it off! I don't think i'd contribute much as a coder, maybe somewhat as a tester (although in getting a network up and running, i'd probably consume more of your guys valuable energy rather than contribute). The importance of this project is in my opinion grossly understated (you guys are too modest!!) For now, that's the only place where i can see myself contributing: spreading the word. If there's anything else, i'm open to suggestions. But yeah: I'm one of those on the sidelines "waiting for the right moment to get involved." One other aspect that might help maaaaybe just a little bit is encouraging the coders: Keep up the great work!! -bart- On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 8:17 PM, Niels Elburg <nwelb...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi everyone, > > There's alternatives to this kickstarter buzz , like ChipIn > http://www.chipin.com/overview > > the advantage chipin has over kickstarter, from what i learned so far, is > that > 1) we don't compete with other projects (like movies etc) > 2) we can offer the chip-in button on the dyne pages > > obviously, its better to channel dyne visitors directly, as you'd have > a higher conversion rate > compared to kickstarter > > given the collection of people inside the network, we should be able > to apply for EU funding > but no-one knows how this works exactly, > > but a part from what mechanism you'd use to raise funding for a > project, a road-map would make a nice start > like Luca says .. but who, i'd say the most active person would be > best suited to sketch one up, then > we can edit stuff, keep it short and try to raise a small fund > > cheerio, > /Niels > > > On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Jaromil <jaro...@dyne.org> wrote: > > > > hi Luca, > > > > On Fri, 18 Feb 2011, Luca Dionisi wrote: > > > >> It is the first time I ever read of someone searching for the right > moment > >> to get involved in netsukuku. Shouldn't you (how many you are?) have > >> talked earlier? Just to let me know... > > > > well the fact is that NTK is not the only and most important project.. > > > > for instance i'm giving (and not alone) way more attention to projects > > like dyne:bolic, which also represents a way to democratize technology > > by providing users with an OS that is not at all network based (not > > even for updates) and that keeps your data encrypted and other > > things.. or FreeJ for online broadcasting of video and such. > > > > in fact i see all those projects as complementary, for instance NTK > > would be the ideal network daemon to run by default on a OS like > > dyne:bolic, then the deployement of it would be really easy and would > > match a community that is already sensible to this kind of feature and > > appreciates it much. > > > > and anyway the vast majority of free software developed out there have > > always an handful of people (in the best case) to push them forward > > (and it's a hard and passionate mission, we know), they are never this > > big dream of a happy community working and living together. i've > > recently heard Ben Mako Hill mentioning this to a conference of free > > culture enthusiasts and, risking to be unpopular, he did say the > > truth. of course we have to make a difference between packaging > > software into a distribution and actually writing the software, but ok > > i'm sure we are clear about it here. > > > > so the point i'm making is: we aren't really many, but we are all busy > > and passionate about complementary projects that can come together > > (and they already do time to time) into good tools and products that > > actually really benefit society, and we have seen this in the past > > when we reached to stage our creations into something coherent and > > well tested, they are all over out there. > > > > so to come back to your question for me the right moment is when i can > > actually gather enough attention and a sparring partner to test > > things, start fingering around and then get involved in a trip that > > lasts at least 2 or 3 months into a software. that's what i mean for > > the right time. nothing you find behind the corner, if you know what i > > mean. > > > > but ok, for instance recently i've been hacking on these WDTV boxes > > running the WDLXTV firmware http://wdlxtv.com - after some fixing on > > the optware port and while i'm coding some stuff for work i'm also > > looking in possibilities of running NTK into an app.bin, fix some > > decent python interpreter in there, provide testing on MIPS platform. > > > > that's just to mention how different people busy on different projects > > can come together. then definitely this won't help now making you feel > > less alone on NTK, if that's how you feel anyway, but ok this project > > is just in the middle of a transition moment and you seem to be the > > person that follows it the most - i'd say be happy for it :) and > > expect to carry a big cross for a while - i can tell you about that :) > > (Eloi, Eloi, Lama Sabachthani!) > > > > OTOH i remain convinced that at this stage of NTK an investement is > > useful if not even necessary to form a solid team and get out of the > > stage of lonely developers pushing and burning themselves out. i know > > for sure that some of the people previously involved would be > > motivated if we'd structure a plan with some money involved. > > > > the funny thing is that in Italy the "Angel Capital" claiming to fund > > NTK did not move it of a centimeter, just bragged about it on > > newspapers. so now maybe the project should really scale up for real > > (and it was mature for that already) and try to run a funding thing to > > finally have something under our feets to build upon. > > > > > > ciao > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iQQcBAEBCAAGBQJNXq3IAAoJEAslGzkIl3JRw1ogAI50IIpf6b/3WUSw0n8XqRwL > > iUQeT5Cz+tgWFeAtVAAZlUXIAMEq7YMIo4cVhiGuhaxwFGghdwKevvV+Ky+ivOxr > > 8MYnz1qSODhxXsaNvVWZK6dea+jyRb0Ye9SdFu9TlDlenaHbsltGrxxNwItoNbOw > > HjpBJ0Ojsh693xucqBBSf0TCAN32JEVtt3+YVSo976+1lWyWS5PYiWvK7s3mgMd7 > > ysPg65OyzKHxwfH7g7YexykNnX/6qLkkDxhXgC2aGT3W1b+X8ZM9g2vg/LRHIJlc > > vpYvEYCY8jBw9lWA4we0zlpu56WXqvDxL7RJE4c3cqVe37MtcoAqz1klazLRS7PI > > iWcimN03Y4wliMGIqQYvUnye+aV9iTOnLHs469wquLWhHUhFf5eRRoCy4DknM1W5 > > PS0OKPNN4NIzQgSVMVO1hX0pvxNExJYg9/610jX2E/1A0VsKO//BxLivc8SZxbaH > > u6WzdWkjAtxu7HxUVVxA+1AwmLRPHIdgukZZd6e8kQzgvog4bOsQzL0lLoXyVIKi > > 6XfILU0umCYtA4HqeyVeZuQz2mHx59bk9A3GpzD7iB/Zn1OTmaRuzvJ9KNN8cSla > > 14m3vNQvM8xRZTWfGC3d32e9qJk6Sy/cetQyNb7jQ60yArFVYWyJZWrrqubik1pu > > tsRbM5spPG62jCZaTj4M+b1pAwVtLmOGOVVzArwDPIHPmJHwy6JG3ziGTjxtc3Ik > > e7n23dyEM8Ed7lS3Jbw6r8UsO8nOZ6sdZ7xTYLhgswhq7FrQFGZkdovmERdodAki > > ODU6e5RJQ+L66yMjUyCeaZabw7uGBmIAvplbzEln31Rr+GpndCkk8c0+vU9g5o0w > > dm8aN0xvet4KeDRrxlomGu2NB49bRIAhoW3fsWwPrOv+L3DHzZiFkc2mxFXe3jWP > > kgoWPoD6AjE/cb5kouIAu5LpWmJM7SDxIYuuXiyyj+hsnY6oENSkOksS3GTSsnIP > > O01K1TPxuqXKz72Y32XkRGuex89mC5ZuRCL7c/uGGG4C42Ro0iVj/SegYcQkPCyu > > dLg3/aMxwJCaskbxfthi4eQjpxOVkyLySwm00M3EG4ZieSFSF1Zgl97MtT6/tndQ > > aEgZswFDbqfXohNQETmFQMRLSHF9T+yUD+gr75TSHZUzIGmXFgj5pCEB8gEdczfJ > > s/AjeUGGau8n5DRyfJqA/uc0BllvP++ymt+0Te1Bh3uTlZNXy3GoxHEb7PKfWU0i > > /i9reuml8AuD+1wNQ4ZkEGH3lWCdpXLaJrXQiriiT/j7anxs1PxSIW1q/WrcHgh3 > > YDrbCkUtsZGvjGVapV2YCz54fdH15tINqFbRZnPfyTVdhWKJ5+y4cG3TDGeoWb8= > > =+pV5 > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Netsukuku mailing list > > Netsukuku@lists.dyne.org > > http://lists.dyne.org/mailman/listinfo/netsukuku > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Netsukuku mailing list > Netsukuku@lists.dyne.org > http://lists.dyne.org/mailman/listinfo/netsukuku >
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