What is living and what is dead in liberalism? (Neo or otherwise).
What is living and what is dead in leftism? (new or old style)

These are good 'Hegelian' questions, and while as Brian says,
they have been raised on nettime before, the discussion was
far from comprehensive or conclusive.

I don't much dissent from Keith Hart's excellent primer on the
political economy of the 19th century. However, it seems to me
to be the kind of explanation one might describe as late 20th
century orthodoxy. I'm not sure we are still living in the world
for which that was the relevant history. Everyone to his taste,
however.

It seems to me to under estimate the role of communication vectors
and the abstraction of information, and to be far from precise and
clear in following this aspect of the transformation of material
reality. One has to rethink what is base and what is 'superstructure.'

On information as property: Yes, obviously, patent and copyright
exist since the 18th century. But they are *not* intellectual property
-- a term not much used before the late 60s. They were the
'commons' on which the progressive privatisation of information
in law and policy has been built. Copyright was not a form of
property at all. The change in terminology is significant.

Information itself arises at the nexus of technical, economic and
legal determinants. Technically, its roots are in the telegraph, first
technology to separate the speed of movement of information from
the movement of people or goods. Thus making possible the
coordination of the movement of people and goods by the movement
of information. Marx was already onto this in the Grundrisse. There
is no such thing as the 'world market' without a space of communication
wherein values can be identified and transmitted.

The great weakness of Marx's otherwise seminal discussions of exchange
value is that when he compares, say, 5 coats to 4 bales of linen as
euivalents, he speaks as if there were a purely ideal space where these
exchange values met. He doesn't address the materiality of exchange
value, which rests on the capacity to transmit information about use
values -- prices -- across space and time independently of the ability to
move the thing itself. Echange value only emerges in a space of 
communication.
This space grows in radius as communication develops. First within
the space of the nation, then without. But it is the same process.

The interaction of the technical and legal creation of information as an
autonomous, abstract value creates a whole new sphere of economic
valuation and exploitation. As Keith suggests, it is always useful to look
at scale. Look at the proportion of the assets that make up the market
value of corporations. The intellectual property portfolio occupies an
increasingly large proportion. What comes together to create the
economic value of 'intellectual property' is firstly is much more rigid
legal protection, and secondly the communication vectors that make
it so much easier to store or to transmit.

When Brian speaks of "efforts to make universal rights substantial by
constructing and defending 'commons' where free access does not
equal destruction of resources..."  he is talking about what will in the
first and last instance be a commons constructed out of communciation
vectors and in which information circulates, where both are outside
the logic of commodification. The establishment and management of
any other kind of commons depends on this. One has to confront the
vctoral with its own tools, as Critical Art Ensemble remind us.

I've always found it more useful to speak of a vectoralisation rather than
a globalisation. The latter term is a bit too freighted with ideological
baggage. And it misses the extent to which the becoming-abstract of
space (what Felix, quoting Castells, called a 'space of flows') is a
vectoral phenomenon before it is anything else. Putting places in touch
with each other, which proceeds in a much more haphazzard way
than 'globalisation' would lead one to suspect, and which does not
produce the liberal-enlightened result of transparency of communication
and rational coordination of wants and resources, has proceeded apace
for century and a half since the creation of telegraphy.

The internet revolution, after all, is really just telegraphy, on a vastly
expanded scale, with bells and whistles. This historical movement --
the becoming vectoral of space -- has been going on for a while. But
it comes to interact with the transformation of information into property
only quite recently. One only has to look at the flurry of legislation --
the Communications Act and Digital Millenium Copyright Act in the US.
Or the remarkable amount of GATT and then WTO time taken up with
issues of patent and copyright protection. These are relatively new
developments, and their significance is not really plumbed by the
tools of historical materialism as we have them to hand.

While there are aspects of 'neo'-liberalism that seem to return to the
past, I think this runs the risk of a misdiagnosis. New terms of analysis
are called for, not on the assumption that we confront a new power, but
just to avoid the assumption that it is more of the same.

Pessimism of the intellect; optimism of the will: there is without doubt
a serious ratchetting up of the organisation from above of ruling class
interests. And, I would argue, this corresponds to a recomposition of
those interests. I've seen the maps Brian alludes to by the Bureau
d'Etudes. I have them on my wall (thanks Brian!) and they're pretty scary.

However, we also have access to tools unimagined by the labor and social
movements of the 19th century. This medium in which we are writing here
being one of them. Can you imagine what enormous part of the budget
of the First International was spent on telegrams?

k

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