I agree with Alan and Brian here. Open discussions -- on this list and
elsewhere -- tend to be fairly context specific, shaped by the
unpredictable process of many-to-may communication. That makes them
engaging at the time, but not so much afterwards.
Nettime's archive is full of great discussions that stay in the archive
because the format of email threads does not communicate well after the
fact.
So a practice of re-elaboration, of condensing and stretching could be
really helpful to allow ideas to travel beyond the setting in which they
were first elaborated.
Also, it might help the publication format to grow organically, both in
styles and subjects, depending were discussions really coalesce. It
might also be interesting as a writing experiments, where different
people engaged in a discussion could collaborate to transform their
singular perspectives into a shared text.
Technically, it doesn't need much more than a blog with basic design and
at least medium-term maintenance.
On 9/30/23 11:31, Allan Siegel via nettime-l wrote:
Hello,
Following up on some points made by Brian: this idea of re-elaboration
is great - it would create a kind of conversational format where are
others can join in; this becomes an expansion of the types of
back-and-forth that exists already; an idea would be to find a way of
indexing these discussions before they disappear into the digital clouds...
Also, I think, as Brian intimated, "polished things" is not the goal but
rather the focus is imagining a discursive space where a wide range of
discussions that can appear as in a public square: humorous exchanges,
profound asides, off-the-cuff declarations etc... I would emphasize that
Nettime-J is a magazine not a journal OR a bulletin board; what we want
to develop is a framework that encourages, "actual dialogue and the
exchange of ideas" (thanks, John).
best
allan
On 29/09/2023 17:49, Brian Holmes wrote:
Dear all,
Nettime-j, it's a totally interesting idea. I would love to see
nettime become generative beyond its traditional format. In that
regard I tried Mastodon, but I'm just not into chat... or even,
incisive but isolated comments, which would be a more fair description.
Many nettime posts could be published out of the box. I agree with
Allan that the heterogeneous side of the list should be preserved -
academic is fine if you feel it, but there are many ways to write.
Most interesting for me would be a journal that requests from an
author or authors a re-eleaboration of some ideas that came out in a
debate. Because often these debates take place, and retrospectively,
the whole subject becomes much more expansive and interesting and
precise than one could perceive at the start.
That would also discourage people from writing polished things that
are only posted on the list because the author wants to be published
in the journal. Instead we would just take what we are already doing
and push it further, toward something really original that reaches out
beyond its own charmed circle.
all the best, Brian
On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 7:05 AM Allan Siegel via nettime-l
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hello,
On 29/09/2023 11:57, Christian Swertz via nettime-l wrote:
> Maybe the journal can be innovative and traditional and open to
> academic and non-academic authors and audiences? So kind of
diverse -
> like the list? This can be done in a journal, for instance, by
> creating different departments. Or issues. Or papers. Or
formats. One
> department can be something like "HUMANities" and offer even peer
> review for those who like or somehow need it, while another
department
> might be "arTworK" where videos, photos, sounds, poems, stories ...
> are published.
I have nothing against academic journals - but I think the idea is
that
the 'language' we encourage is diverse and even bi-lingual if
necessary;
departments are a good idea, like sections or zones or playgrounds...
actually I like the idea of arTworK - sections with visual signs like
paths of discovery...
I am waiting to see if there are other responses to this idea; so
far I
have only seen yours and Geert's interest in the idea of a
magazine...
best
a
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